Post by schlager7 on Dec 8, 2006 10:09:58 GMT -6
Naturally when I am performing as a referee I have no "opinion" on a rules. The rules are the rules and that is how we are to guide the game.
As a fencer, I have had some concerns, however, the more I read on the new non-combativity rule, which has replaced passivity.
There has always seemed something of an overkill to it. Perhaps I fence too much epee (Is that possible? )I have been unable to properly voice my concerns, but something I recently read by Brad Baker has resonated with me.
I don't like the new non-combativity rule and think it absolutely takes out portions of the game that should occur on a regular basis in both epee and foil. That said, it's a rule, we have to adjust and deal with it.
There is no specific timeframe for calling it. General guidance from the FOC has been in the neighborhood of 30-40 seconds. People have been throwing around a 15 second figure, but I have no clue where that originated.
Non-combativity is different than passivitiy. It comes into play MUCH more often. Allen's post a few up from this one seems like a good description of what passivity was. This is NOT what we're currently dealing with.
With non-combativity the fencers can be sanctioned while still engaging in normal fencing activities, so long as they are not actively trying to score touches. And the interpretation of this includes lengthy set-up time and preparations as not attempting to score. (*eyeroll*)
Playing distance games, little probing attacks that aren't designed to hit, working your way in and out, beats that aren't part of a beat attack, baiting an opponent into attacking, etc. These are all things that prevented passivity from being called that don't qualify as "combative" (despite the fact that we all know they're frequently a legitimate part of setting up a scoring action and should qualify as part of trying to fence correctly).
Note that the FIE version of these rules provides for black cards on the third instance (and that FIE black cards automatically carry a 2-month competitive suspension as well). The FIE (Rene Roch) REALLY doesn't want what he considers boring fencing. If the huddled masses of uninformed television viewers can't see the higher-level tactically by-play then he wants to get rid of it in favor of actions that turn on lights and that CAN be seen.
As a fencer, I have had some concerns, however, the more I read on the new non-combativity rule, which has replaced passivity.
There has always seemed something of an overkill to it. Perhaps I fence too much epee (Is that possible? )I have been unable to properly voice my concerns, but something I recently read by Brad Baker has resonated with me.
I don't like the new non-combativity rule and think it absolutely takes out portions of the game that should occur on a regular basis in both epee and foil. That said, it's a rule, we have to adjust and deal with it.
There is no specific timeframe for calling it. General guidance from the FOC has been in the neighborhood of 30-40 seconds. People have been throwing around a 15 second figure, but I have no clue where that originated.
Non-combativity is different than passivitiy. It comes into play MUCH more often. Allen's post a few up from this one seems like a good description of what passivity was. This is NOT what we're currently dealing with.
With non-combativity the fencers can be sanctioned while still engaging in normal fencing activities, so long as they are not actively trying to score touches. And the interpretation of this includes lengthy set-up time and preparations as not attempting to score. (*eyeroll*)
Playing distance games, little probing attacks that aren't designed to hit, working your way in and out, beats that aren't part of a beat attack, baiting an opponent into attacking, etc. These are all things that prevented passivity from being called that don't qualify as "combative" (despite the fact that we all know they're frequently a legitimate part of setting up a scoring action and should qualify as part of trying to fence correctly).
Note that the FIE version of these rules provides for black cards on the third instance (and that FIE black cards automatically carry a 2-month competitive suspension as well). The FIE (Rene Roch) REALLY doesn't want what he considers boring fencing. If the huddled masses of uninformed television viewers can't see the higher-level tactically by-play then he wants to get rid of it in favor of actions that turn on lights and that CAN be seen.