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Post by schlager7 on May 18, 2011 21:29:12 GMT -6
I found myself thumbing through the ROC bid packet (looking up the answer to a completely unrelated question) and found myself wondering whether the Fete de Lune should bid as a Vet ROC.
From our end I did not see that many adaptations we would have to make, but I could (seriously) use feedback from more knowledgeable individuals.
Would the Fete de Lune make a decent Vet ROC?
What would we have to change? (Yes I am reading the bid packets, but others might see some details I am missing)
More to the point, would this make the Fete de Lune better or worse?
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Post by JEC on May 18, 2011 21:47:02 GMT -6
YES!
I haven't been to the strip since the last Veteran's Melee, and the prior year's VM had been my last tourny, but FDL is the strongest VET tournament in the Southwest Section or SW region. (period!) If there is ONE tournament that deserves to be part of the national regional qualyfing tournament, it is the FDL. I haven't been part of the inside workings of the ROCs, but it costs an extra $5 or 10 dollars per entry. I am not sure how 3 weapon participants are treated, but it is worth the try. I will come out from retirement due to work related mental / time demands to participate in a FDL ROC event (or 3 weapon if knees are ok).
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Post by kon on May 18, 2011 22:18:49 GMT -6
I'm not familiar with the actual bid packets. Are they available on the USFA site somewhere? I'd like to read the details.
Failing any dragons appearing when I do, sure. It would be nice to have a vet ROC locally. I had to go to sectionals to qualify as a vet this year. And it would be nice if the FdL got bigger and if you guys made some money, both of which the ROC classification would do for you. Why not? Go for it.
K O'N
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Post by Velizar Iliev on May 18, 2011 22:57:08 GMT -6
I think that would be a great idea and I support it, I will also try to participate in it as well.
Velizar Iliev Olympian Fencing Club
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Post by kd5mdk on May 18, 2011 23:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by monitorlizerd on May 19, 2011 5:04:30 GMT -6
My first impulse is to say "H#!! yeah, it's perfect!" And it is. But it will go from a small one day friendly tournament to a (potentially) much larger, two day tournament. Due to FdL's rep, I don't see a problem staffing it, but the venue might be a problem. That said, yes! It's perfect.
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Post by cheryl on May 19, 2011 7:40:57 GMT -6
I don't pretend to know anything about putting one on, but I love the idea of getting more vet women here to fence. The tournament is lovely as is, but a little more estrogen would make it even lovelier.
Cheryl Laird
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Post by jazz007 on May 19, 2011 7:54:30 GMT -6
The Fete De Lune would make a FANTASTIC Vet ROC. I would absolutely support it as such. I am amused at at least one point in the bid packet: "6. Tournament Software. XSeed, Fencing Time, EnGarde of [sic] other software capable of interfacing with www.askfred.net shall be used to run the tournament. The bout committee should be experienced with the chosen software." This amuses me because XSeed does not interface with AskFRED, but the software we use now does Having now read the bid packet, y'all would be a fantastic choice for this. Publicity you're good at, National Staff you have, referees you have access to in spades, your venues are all great! I would encourage you to bid! -Jaimie
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Post by jazz007 on May 19, 2011 7:59:59 GMT -6
JEC - WRT three weapon fencers: at the National Level, you're only supposed to fence one individual and one team event per day. However, at our level, we're pretty good with scheduling, and I've never had a problem with someone doing two events in one day (and the third the next). -J
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Post by darwindog on May 19, 2011 9:43:27 GMT -6
I think it would be great. if we can help let us know.... SW division & San Antonio fencing center.
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Post by Aldo Precciozzi on May 19, 2011 13:49:47 GMT -6
I have always enjoyed the FTL. This would be a great way to get exposure. Count on me to be there, I'll fence foil and epee Just to have fun.
Good luck; see you then. I hope you get to fence as well.
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Post by Gary van der Wege on May 23, 2011 6:36:20 GMT -6
The 'competition' as a vet qual would be events like the Alice B, which was both a Div 2-3 AND Vet Qual ROC. As long as US Fencing keeps the 'everybody who enters-qualifies', you will maintain the fun atmosphere of the FdL. Some concerns about the size of the venue and one day format though. Gonna hafta find some young refs who can handle us old farts.
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Post by schlager7 on May 23, 2011 8:39:06 GMT -6
See, that's my main concern. I don't want to lose the fun part of the Fete de Lune.
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Post by oiuyt on May 23, 2011 11:00:24 GMT -6
What are you expecting to get out of adding a ROC designation to the FdL and what costs (real or opportunity) are you expecting? See which side the balance favors.
FdL is clearly a high-profile, well-known, high-quality veteran event. I've only ever lived in the Northeast (MA, MD, PA, NJ), am not yet a vet, and I knew of it and its reputation for years, even before coming down last season. It's the type of event which I would hope the ROC committee is hoping to attract.
-B
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Post by schlager7 on May 23, 2011 21:32:16 GMT -6
I originally put forth the question based on a few email queries I received over the last few months. My main concern is that the Fete de Lune has become something of an enjoyable event for both fencers and referees, all handled with the course of a single day. If the fencers cannot compete in three events per day, they must give up their leisurely Sunday return home.
I just do not know if any bonuses of the Fete de Lune becoming a ROC would counterbalance the people we might lose it it was a 2-day event.
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Post by WoodlandsFencing on May 24, 2011 6:52:09 GMT -6
Woodlands Fencing Academy would be pleased to offer its space to host a Veteran ROC. We intend to develop a very strong veterans program with adult only classes during the week and open fencing for adults on the weekend. As you know we are opening on June 1st, so if you would like to see the space please come up and visit us. We have numerous adult fencers who have been patiently waiting for the new club to open. I think the space will clearly meet the ROC requirements. We look forward to seeing you. Khariton and Bill Trapani will be running the classes. We will also offer some libations to our adult fencers after class (probably the only club in Texas with a wine cooler!). Leslie
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Post by Aldo N on May 24, 2011 21:13:53 GMT -6
Sounds to me as if schlager7 may already have made up his mind against the idea. Yes?
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Post by schlager7 on May 25, 2011 6:34:56 GMT -6
Not completely. I do, however, think the Fete de Lune has acquired some small measure of success because of what it has become. Seriously tinkering around with it to make it fit the ROC paradigm could be a case of fixing something that it not broken.
I have to ask what, exactly, becoming an ROC competition would add to the Fete de Lune?
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Post by JEC on May 25, 2011 8:32:08 GMT -6
Success is due TLC from organizing committee
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Post by kb on May 25, 2011 8:49:55 GMT -6
I have to ask what, exactly, becoming an ROC competition would add to the Fete de Lune? National recognition of a well-organized, FUN tournament with an awesome 3-weapon prize.
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Post by schlager7 on May 25, 2011 12:49:09 GMT -6
I have to ask what, exactly, becoming an ROC competition would add to the Fete de Lune? National recognition of a well-organized, FUN tournament with an awesome 3-weapon prize. There is that.
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Post by Geezer on Jun 5, 2011 14:20:48 GMT -6
Of course, distinguished fencing, amiable companions.... Yes, this is all very 'Well and Good'...but what about dinner?
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Post by schlager7 on Jun 5, 2011 22:30:30 GMT -6
Alas, it does not look like the Fete de Lune will receive ROC status... this year. On the plus side some good lessons were learned. I think it will be an ROC in 2012.
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