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Post by schlager7 on Apr 26, 2008 20:04:57 GMT -6
I am very interested in UTSA sponsoring a tournament for a club within the Gulf Coast Division. What this boils down to is that is people want more USFA Sanctioned events, and clubs can't host them because all the dates are taken. Everyone but the leadership wants more tournaments. As long as the people allow for less tournaments then we will have less tournaments. Except that is incorrect. There were 12 weekends with no USFA tournaments this season so far... not counting the cancellations. These were weekends opposite NACs or the Pouj, etc... many times these other event were not that heavily attended by our local fencers. No local club opted to hold a GCD tournament. The clubs host most of the tournaments in our division. The dates were there and available. As to Heavy Metal, there is also what might be a problem in that, according to what I see on the USFA site, UTSA is not a current club member of the USFA. I am still cloudy on how a tournament now hosted by a non-USFA club could get USFA sanction. I will watch and learn. An excellent offer, Augie. I really hope folks are reading that. Thanks! It would have made life much easier if they had sent someone. You know, Augie, neither you nor I live all that close to the meeting site either, yet we attended. Along with my mention about dates... I note that eight weeks from now there is a Young Elites tournament scheduled. We just had a scheduled Young Elites tournament fail to occur. Their existence seems... nebulous. I think we should find out if this next one is going to happen and, if not, parcel that date out to a club that WILL hold a competition! Perhaps a real, official Heavy Metal at the Katy Blades site. (just one option, I am open to others).
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Post by Beau Brunson on Apr 26, 2008 21:57:49 GMT -6
There is not rule what-so-ever by the USFA that requires a club to have membership to host a sanctioned tournament. This was made abundantly clear to me by the officer in the national office that I spoke to.
Sanctioning a tournament based on USFA membership is entirely up to a division. The USFA does require insurance at hosted tournaments, but most colleges recieve coverages from their school. In most cases this coverage is better than what USFA membership provides.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Apr 26, 2008 23:05:21 GMT -6
Why would A&M host a tournament at Katy Blades? The Ags have a great facility. Also it takes me about as long to get to Katy as it does to get to College Station with all the construction on I-10.
By all reports, the tournament went very well today, thanks for asking. We look forward to seeing everyone tomorrow.
As one last aside, we like to think we are holding a real, official Heavy Metal this weekend. Why would we hold a second?
Dan
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 26, 2008 23:36:30 GMT -6
Sanctioning a tournament based on USFA membership is entirely up to a division. This sentence is true enough...
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Post by Aldo N on Apr 26, 2008 23:55:48 GMT -6
Okay so I'm old and stay confused. Help me with this.
The Gulf Coast Division has a rule your club has to be a member of the USFA at least 6 weeks before you can hold a tournament that is sanctioned.
This was discussed at a meeting at the beginning of the season that A&M was supposed to attend but did not.
It is also supposed to be in our bylaws, but either it is just a draft or finished product poorly labelled.
These newest bylaws are impossible or easy to find depending.
A&M said they were a member a month ago, but actually only joined a few days ago.
The Gulf Coast Division is (possibly/probably/maybe) denying sanction because Texas A&M was not a USFA member six weeks ago.
A&M is hoping to be sanctioned by the South Texas Division... which they are not in... by having their tournament actually hosted by a South Texas Division college club that is not currently a USFA member.
Regardless the South Texas Division EC is presumably planning to sanction a tournament in another division where the local Division EC has refused sanction.
Let me know (please!) if I have missed anything and you can make this more clear.
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Post by LongBlade on Apr 27, 2008 13:38:35 GMT -6
Okay so I'm old and stay confused. Help me with this. The Gulf Coast Division has a rule your club has to be a member of the USFA at least 6 weeks before you can hold a tournament that is sanctioned. This was discussed at a meeting at the beginning of the season that A&M was supposed to attend but did not. It is also supposed to be in our bylaws, but either it is just a draft or finished product poorly labelled. These newest bylaws are impossible or easy to find depending. A&M said they were a member a month ago, but actually only joined a few days ago. The Gulf Coast Division is (possibly/probably/maybe) denying sanction because Texas A&M was not a USFA member six weeks ago. A&M is hoping to be sanctioned by the South Texas Division... which they are not in... by having their tournament actually hosted by a South Texas Division college club that is not currently a USFA member. Regardless the South Texas Division EC is presumably planning to sanction a tournament in another division where the local Division EC has refused sanction. Let me know (please!) if I have missed anything and you can make this more clear. Aldo, you are not as old or confused as you think. The South Texas Division has no rule about having been a USFA club six weeks prior to hosting a tournament and every tournament in our Division is presumed to be sanctioned unless we are specifically told otherwise. However, to host a USFA sactioned tournament, the sponsor still has to be a USFA club. A fact that they appear to have overlooked in the rush to help A&M out with their problem. So, it appears that the Heavy Metal will still be unsanctioned even with UTSA's heroic efforts to assist. Unless... some other club that is a USFA member were to step forward and try to sponsor it after the fact. And... I have no idea what the USFA would have to say about that. Just a thought. And, I should probably just quit thinking.
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