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Post by schlager7 on May 25, 2005 20:00:06 GMT -6
As we all know, there are seven divisions in the Southwest Section: Border Texas South Texas North Texas Oklahoma Ark-La-Miss Louisiana Gulf Coast Texas Border does not get as much press since they, by their own choice, do not participate in the SSCC. Regardless, they are a member division. In fact, the only division in Texas that is not in the Southwest Section is the Plains Texas Division (Basically taking in the panhandle and, primarily, the cities of Lubbock and Amarillo.) They are in the Rocky Mountain Section. At least for now... I'd heard something verbal along these lines a couple of weeks ago. More recently, I found this on the Rocky Mountain Section Discussion Forum (which has a different color scheme, but an oddly familiar look.) Thread: rockymtsection.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=rockycup&action=display&num=1116604135Quote:[glow=red,2,300]The only comment I have on the circut cup is that Plains Tx, as I am sure most of you know, is planning on switching sections to South West Section. If that happens then there will not be a tournament from our division in the cup. Just thought I would bring that up since this is in the planning stages. Julie Assistant Coach Double T Fencing Club[/glow] and quote: [glow=red,2,300]I am sure that is part of the hold up that our area -is/might-be moving out of the section. I don't see why members of our area would care since everyone is so dead set on moving anyway. Even though I am not traveling much out of Amarillo, I think it a Cup is a good idea for the section as a whole... reguardless if we are in the secection next year or not. Marcus Hite Assistant Coach HPF[/glow]
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Post by DavidSierra on May 26, 2005 9:36:18 GMT -6
I can verify that an official request was sent from the Chair of the Plains Division to the Chair of the SWS, the Chair of the Rocky Mountain Section and to the USFA requesting a change of Sections. Beyond that, I don't know the status, but presumably the USFA BOD will take up the matter in July.
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Post by schlager7 on May 26, 2005 21:00:35 GMT -6
Of course, IF the Plains Texas Division joins the SW Section...
<smirk>gosh, I just WONDER what tournament they would use as their contribution to the SSCC?</smirk>
Hmmm... a 7-tournament circuit?
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Post by DavidSierra on May 26, 2005 21:23:04 GMT -6
They're not planning to participate in the SSCC as a tournament host. But would like to participate as competitors. At least as of the last I was discussing with their representatives.
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Post by gorgie101 on May 27, 2005 23:06:06 GMT -6
Just to let everyone know that right now Plains TX can't switch right away. One we have recived no response from the SWS chair and two, it's too late to get it on the July board. So we are getting the paper work together and will send it off ASAP but it probably won't come up till next July due to meetings and stuff.
This is all I know so far.
Julie
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Post by LongBlade on May 27, 2005 23:11:09 GMT -6
I don't want to speak out of turn. And I certainly don't speak for the Plains Texas Division! But it isn't a question of hosting a Cup tournament. They are just looking for a way to improve the level of fencing in their own Division.
Can you blame them? They are fairly isolated and there's a lot more fencing available, as close or closer, in the Southwest Section.
There's no plot, there's nothing invidious about it, it's no secret, and I'd hope they'd be welcomed to join us if it improves fencing in Texas!
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Post by schlager7 on May 28, 2005 7:58:29 GMT -6
Oh, I don't think it was a secret, *I* just had not run across more chatter than I posted. This is a good place to hear more from folks in a better position to know.
I am not in one of the divisions adjacent to Plains Division, (which is likely one reason I'd heard as little as I had), but I have not run into anyone in my neck of the woods who did not think having the Plains Division join our section was pretty cool.
I have always thought that, given the caibre of fencing talent in South Texas, North Texas and Oklahoma Divisions, that it would be more effective for the Lubbock and Amarillo fencers to link up with them.
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Post by kd5mdk on Feb 28, 2006 18:00:18 GMT -6
Any updates on this?
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Post by schlager7 on Feb 28, 2006 22:22:48 GMT -6
Nothing newer than what is here...
Perhaps gorgie101, hpfencing, or Parry Nine could answer that...
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Post by Parry Nine on Mar 1, 2006 9:48:53 GMT -6
No news yet. I'll talk to the Division Chair and if there's anything new, I'll let you guys know!
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Post by schlager7 on Mar 6, 2006 14:17:17 GMT -6
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Post by swordmaster on Apr 26, 2006 9:51:37 GMT -6
...One we have received no response from the SWS chair ... Hummm...Boy does this sound familiar. Mister Do Nothing strikes again!
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Post by JEC on Jul 16, 2006 10:16:57 GMT -6
Will it ever happen that all of Texas is in the same section?
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Post by schlager7 on Jul 16, 2006 11:10:09 GMT -6
Will it ever happen that all of Texas is in the same section? Gosh, I should hope not! DO you have any idea how large and unwieldy the Rocky Mountain Section is NOW? It would be impossible if North TX, South TX, Border TX and Gulf Coast all joined!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Seriously, I presume you refer to Plains TX joining the Southwest Section. If so, it is possible. They are aleady adjacent to four Southwest Section Divisions (Border, South Texas, North Texas and Oklahoma). I can see where the drive time to Sectionals most years would be easier. It probably depends more on events within the Rocky Mountain Section as a whole. I know that contending with the vast size of the Section is an issue for some. I only catch internet snippets, so I don't know how big an issue it really is. Go back in time and, before there was a Southwest Section (and in its early years), all of Texas was is the same division. Density and distance seem to be the main factors that cause divisions to experience cytokinesis. The old Texas Division was broken into the North Texas and Gulf Coast Divisions in 1949. The Border Texas Division came about on September 13, 1950. It apparently faded out of existence for a time. The 1953 Southwest Section Competition was held May 2 in Lubbock, Texas. In 1965 the South Texas Division was organized. Obviously in the interim, Border Texas came back. Anyone know when the Plains Texas Division was formed?
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Post by kd5mdk on Jul 16, 2006 22:26:10 GMT -6
Not off the top of my head, but Aaron Clements might know.
Consider that neither Louisiana, Arkansas nor Mississippi are all in any one Division. I think that before any major map changes are made, there will have to be a lot of reconsideration of how the USFA is organized at the National scale. Once there's a coherent vision of how the different parts are supposed to fit together, then figuring out who goes in what part can begin.
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