bobb121
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Post by bobb121 on Apr 15, 2006 16:39:16 GMT -6
I am going to change the price to $50 per person. Each person will get access to the whole workshop. However, unless I get 20 people to sign up for the workshop on askfred(link below), I will cancel the workshop unless those that have signed up object. Input is appreciated. Link: askfred.net/Events/moreInfo.php?tournament_id=1994&FREDV3SID=afe3d77119fff16eaec7649f259872f7-Chris Williams P.S. If there is not enough interest in classical style fencing, I will switch it to electric fencing with boxes set-up to fence during the workshop.
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Post by bobb121 on Apr 18, 2006 18:52:56 GMT -6
I just got a reply from Len Carnighan about the format of the workshop. He teaches a "traditional approach to fencing with a balanced blend of classical and modern techniques. The emphasis of the workshop will be a study in timing and distance stressing foot and blade coordination."
I will need to receive payment in advance. Payment should be received by myself by May 12th. Paypal is accepted(use e-mail christopherwms@gmail.com)
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Post by bobb121 on Apr 21, 2006 12:26:25 GMT -6
Please make chack's and money order's out to chris williams, and mail to: 121 Catalpa St., Lake Jackson, TX 77566
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Post by rtyrtre on May 17, 2006 22:47:49 GMT -6
As I have said before, according to Selberg and Carnighan, the sport we know now as fencing is referred to as post modern fencing. Dry fencing with the 4 judges and head judge is know as modern, or traditional. I used the term traditional due to Evangalista's book.
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Post by guest on May 22, 2006 9:43:20 GMT -6
For what its worth, Nick Evangelista has his own definition of classical or traditional fencing and it is clearly modern fencing - as in early 20th century modern fencing.
Calling it 'classical' is a kind of nostalgic harking back to how people like Nick prefered fencing when they started (back in the 60s-70s or a little earlier) before they feel that most of the terrible 'sport' things started happening.
This is clearly NOT the same tradtional or classical fencing that is being studying, taught and fenced across the country by other masters and fencers. In this camp classical and traditional are equated with 'combative' and not sport. All techniques are for practical, combative means. When you study the differences it all becomes very clear. Its a little too abstract on forums, but trust me, there really is a difference.
Most of what the 'old guys' do if they call it 'classical' is this nostalgic modern fencing. Which is cool. Better than the tantrum bad fencing antics of sport fencing now. BUT, its still not traditional fencing. Its just not combative enough.
I trained with Nick Evangelista for almost 5 years and have trained with Maestri Hayes and Martinez. There is a clear difference.
This is why we ask for clarification.
What is it you want to do? what do you want to know?
Do you want to be able to fence 3 competitive weapons well = modern fencing.
Do you want to learn the science underlying all western swords and their practical application = traditional/classical.
Once you figure that out you can start to work. Its just unfair for many people out there that we have modern fencing teachers using their own definition of classical making all this much more messy than it needs to be.
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Post by wleckie on Jun 14, 2006 9:44:09 GMT -6
Delighted by your list! I teach in Germany, perhaps the only real traditional or classical organization in the country, and below our group's patch is one of the "1824" banner that flew over the Alamo. I miss mesquite. Really. I'm sick of pork and miss beef. Our group's summer party will be a barbecue, me at the grill, wearing a vaquero's straw hat purchased at People's Supply in Kenedy. But to the chase...I don't know what authority folks are using to call 19th century fencing the sort that was originally "classical," a term Nick Evangelista (disclosure: I'm a student of his) has rejected, calling the historical and classical advocates "nostaligists." His former student better catrch up. A passing remark by Louis Rondelle no one could criticize except, ironically, a "combat" enthusiast is what there is. Bazancourt mentions the decay of fencing ideals in early Second Empire France. As for a "science of fencing," as far as I can tell--and as I teach--the fundamental principles have remained the same since the 17th century, something both Nick, William Gaugler, and others all agree on. The plethora of methods, texts, systems over time, and perhaps the more querulous of your participants should actually read some, doesn't refute that, but only suggests that fencing ought to be a big tent, and that the quarrel with sport fencing is based on abandonment of principles all of us, despite whiners and prima donnas, have in common. This preoccupation with "combat" is romantic will-to-power nostalgia with a very unpleasant history over here. It has led to a profound msunderstanding of the execution in the US of Italian style teachers here and in Italy from the 19th to the mid-20th centuries rejected. By the way, here in Germany we use epee only as a teaching supplement to what we view as the most effective way to learn lethal swordsmanship of the point with the oldest historical sword still in use for what it was intended--the foil. Double touches are for sissies, simultaneous assaults for sloppy fencers. Good luck with your workshop! May it not collapse because of squabbles over something pretty easy to describe!
Bill Leckie Klassisches Fechten Soest soestfechten@aol.com
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Post by ironrod on Jul 9, 2006 10:43:53 GMT -6
Happy Birthday Bill!
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