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Post by fox on Nov 3, 2005 15:22:51 GMT -6
Okay, the rules state that when a fencer goes past his opponent, the Referee must immediately call ‘Halt’ and replace the competitors in the positions which they occupied before the passing took place.
At what point are they past each other?
I guess I'm asking when does the call for halt go out. Once they are side by side? Fully past each other with daylight in between?
Is it when the knees pass, the shoulders, head?
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Post by Katman on Nov 3, 2005 23:06:50 GMT -6
To be honest I never tried to be that specific for when I deem they're past each other.
I can't remember there being a specific rule defining when a fencer is considered to have "passed" his opponent. I'll go dig around in the rule book and see what's there and maybe post it later if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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Post by Parry Nine on Nov 4, 2005 9:11:40 GMT -6
I can't remember if it specifically says when the halt it to be called either. As a rule of thumb, I wait until they are completely past each other because the defender is allowed one riposte, you just have to watch closely to ensure that a remise isn't in there.
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Post by DavidSierra on Nov 4, 2005 9:46:22 GMT -6
This is another, surprise!!!!! All together now, say it with me... "Judgement Call" Generally, speaking, I use the shoulders. When the shoulders cross, they've passed. And then you have to apply rule t.21 (here is the relevant portion). When touches are made as a fencer passes his opponent, the touch made immediately is valid; a touch made after passing his opponent by the competitor who has made the passing movement is annulled, but the touch made immediately, even when turning round, by the competitor who has been subjected to the offensive action, is valid.
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Post by LongBlade on Nov 4, 2005 23:36:43 GMT -6
I'm with David. As I was taught, either the shoulders or the majority of the body passes and call the halt for passing. The defending fencer gets an immediate repost or remise after the pass. Only one action, and it must be immediate. It's the Direct- ... err... Referee's discretion on the call.
(Of course I was learned under the old AFLA rules, and we dodged dinosaurs in order to see the action! *L*)
But in plain English, though, that's what the current rules still say? No?
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Post by kd5mdk on Nov 11, 2005 18:09:22 GMT -6
I've always considered it to be the shoulders, although you should not actually call the halt until they are past to allow for the last hit by the person being passed. However, the halt will either be for that hit or for the passing.
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