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Post by schlager7 on Nov 10, 2005 14:06:39 GMT -6
Fencers complain about this referee or that all the time, so turnabout is fair play...
To the ref's, both high-level and unrated locals, if you've ever served as a referee, you can chime in.
What's your pet peeve while working? pushy coaches? screamers? fencers with smelly gear? weapons that fail virtually every test? fencers who are never there when called? fencers who argue every call? The eternal question, "Time?" Indignant parents? In other words, what really frosts your cookies?
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Post by fox on Nov 21, 2005 13:29:43 GMT -6
Now, I only directed (refereed?) locally when I fenced much, but here is the thing that just always annoyed the bejeebers out of me.
Your running a DE. Fencer X leads fencer Y by about, oh, 11-3 and we are in the third encounter. After a "halt," fencer Y asks if they can change weapons. When asked what is wrong, you get something like, "I don't like this grip..." or "I really like my other foil/epee/sabre better."
I mean, c'mon, this far into the bout you decide its uncomfortable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Mind you, no one is saying it is loose or has a bad wire). Yeah, I used to get that a lot and it really set my teeth on edge.
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Post by Parry Nine on Nov 21, 2005 18:01:25 GMT -6
Don't you give a card for that?
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Post by Parry Nine on Nov 21, 2005 18:01:59 GMT -6
Pet peeve: saber fencers. That's all. (and their coaches...)
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Post by saberbobcat on Nov 21, 2005 22:14:55 GMT -6
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Post by saberbobcat on Nov 21, 2005 22:18:14 GMT -6
My pet peeve is whinning epee fencers that like to push their experience and weight around. On the other hand--- sabre fencers are the easiest do deal with. Guess I feel that way because I am really comfortable with sabre.
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Post by LongBlade on Nov 21, 2005 22:55:25 GMT -6
My pet peeve is whinning epee fencers... On the other hand--- sabre fencers are the easiest do deal with. Oh, Saberbob! Somebody gave you some really bad Acid! Epee fencers are the quiet guys that don't scream, beg, and whine at the referee!!! ;D
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Post by kd5mdk on Nov 23, 2005 0:47:55 GMT -6
Tell that to Ray Sexton.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Nov 23, 2005 11:25:16 GMT -6
Don't single Ray out, I'd put plenty of offenders far ahead of him. Many epee fencers work the refs -- he/she was past at the touch, the touch was on the floor/table/guard/mote of passing sun/whatever, my opponent is cheating, blah blah blah. At the national level the consensus I've heard is that epee is the hardest weapon to referee. It's also the reason the rulebook is as thick as it is -- when you can't blame the ref (and they still do), you have to have some other way to gain an advantage.
Dan
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Post by saberbobcat on Nov 23, 2005 11:42:15 GMT -6
Longblade, you do not understand. I LOVE sabre, including the screaming. ;D
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Post by JEC on Nov 23, 2005 14:18:39 GMT -6
Yes, but he doesn't count... He uses his saber/foil personality while doing epee.
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Post by LongBlade on Nov 23, 2005 14:29:20 GMT -6
I understand that you love all that stuff, Saberbob. Just don't understand why.
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Post by saberbobcat on Nov 27, 2005 12:00:11 GMT -6
;D Hey, Dan I'll agree with you 100%, especially about the rules book and epee. It is not as easy to ref as it seems... I rarely fence it and do so just to make folks like Longblade smile, so my experience at fencing epee is very limited. I probably need to study it more so there is no whinning. Actually, a lot of my buddies are epeeists, so I should not single that particular weapon out. Oh, and.... Longblade, you'll never quite understand because your first love was epee. Hee! Hee! Hee!
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Post by Aldo N on Nov 27, 2005 17:58:55 GMT -6
Pet peeve...
varies with weapon
Foilists who cover target so blatantly that their opponent skewers their hand while executing a perfect thrust to quarte... then complains that their hand was nowhere near target
Epeeists who immediately grab the body cord/reel cord connection after their opponent lands a touch and then asks the referee to "check my weapon."
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Post by Parry Nine on Nov 28, 2005 16:49:54 GMT -6
Epee: Fencers that touch their tip to the floor after the touch to test then we have to wait for the box to re-arm.
Foil: Ditto what Aldo said.
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Post by kd5mdk on Dec 2, 2005 23:08:21 GMT -6
Pet peeve... Epeeists who immediately grab the body cord/reel cord connection after their opponent lands a touch and then asks the referee to "check my weapon." I love them. I get annoyed at epeeists who don't test their weapons ever, so I have to keep a close watch on them every second between "halt" and "fence". It's what they should do, but it doesn't make it easier for me.
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Post by LongBlade on Feb 6, 2006 22:43:24 GMT -6
Epee: Fencers that touch their tip to the floor after the touch to test then we have to wait for the box to re-arm. Uh... That's what you're SUPPOSED TO DO in Epee! After all, We can't blame the referee like you guys can! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Parry Nine on Feb 7, 2006 9:56:00 GMT -6
I'm mainly a epeeist, but I am beginning the transformation to sabre. I can feel it growing...
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Post by Dan Gorman on Mar 25, 2006 23:29:59 GMT -6
Fencers who are sloppy, don't understand the actions that they are doing or how those actions interact with the other fencer's actions, and then blame me as a referee when they don't get the call they wanted.
Dan
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Post by bobb121 on Jun 12, 2006 14:11:44 GMT -6
Foilist who whine about losing priority because they pull there arm back in the middle of an attack.
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Post by fox on Jul 6, 2006 7:58:10 GMT -6
Re-visiting this thread called to mind something I saw a few months back. I wasn't the ref, but if I had been I don't know if it would have irritated me or made me laugh.
It was a foil pool and one fencer (who IS fairly good), call him fencer B, seemed to have a consistent mannerism throughout the pool.
Fencer A of the moment launches a direct attack, lunge, fleche, etc and lands a valid hit. Fencer B immediately "parries" this blade (already landed), and landing a riposte on target.
Now this all happened very fast, but each time we could all hear the "buzz" from the scorebox as Fencer A's touch landed and then the "tink" has B's blade parried the hit and launched a riposte which (even with our new timings, it seems) set off a second light.
Each time the referee's call went something like, "Attach right, lands, touch right."
Each time (it happened 5 or 6 times in the pool) our fencer B would ask, "Not my parry-riposte?" The first time the referee explained the touch from the right landed before the parry. As thing progressed he would just sigh at the question and tell the fencers to come en garde.
I could hear others talking behind me and they noticed the same thing. This was not a beginning fencer. I would think he was aware his parry was landing after he was hit. Either way, it got old to listen to.
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