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Post by Aldo N on Feb 18, 2006 11:34:47 GMT -6
I watched this provoke an... involved... discussion during club fencing the other night and thought I'd check here because I am far from up on post-1980s rule changes.
I will be referencing an epee bout (but perhaps this will apply tto the other two weapons, as well).
It is my understanding that you are allowed to finish your attack after leaving the strip, assuming you only left with one foot. Since there is no right of way in epee, an attack is largely an extension or a lunge. If you were midway through a lunge and then left the strip with one foot, the attack is still valid. If you did an advance-lunge and left the strip during the advance, the lunge (a 2nd action) is out of time.
Correct? If not, please set me to rights. (Should be enough epee fencers on this forum to help me here).
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Post by Katman on Feb 18, 2006 14:21:30 GMT -6
That's an interesting question and I'd love to hear some of the more experinced refs answer it.
I'd hazard to say that you'd have to hit before your front foot landed. Not sure on this one though.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Feb 18, 2006 16:48:05 GMT -6
Not true. As soon as you leave the strip, your touch cannot score. Mid-step, mid-lunge, mid-anything. It is the convention that you are not off strip until your foot hits the ground off strip, but I don't know that this is supported by a strict reading of the rules (and don't feel like looking it up). Also, off strip means completely off strip (not touching the line) and applies with one foot as well as both. An attack, counter-attack, riposte, whatever that begins before the opponent leaves the strip and arrives in a single tempo will score regardless of when said opponent's foot hits the ground. Finally, on a related note, if you are making a passing action, you do not get a riposte or any other kind of action that lands after you've passed your opponent. Someone tried to call me on that at the Pouj, so I looked it up. I was right. Dan
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Post by kd5mdk on Feb 19, 2006 17:27:02 GMT -6
Hmm. The only thing that seems wrong about this, Dan, is that on the Referee's test there's a question about a two light action (in epee) where one fencer has both feet off strip, and the other has only one foot off, and the correct answer was that only the one who was off with one foot could score.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Feb 19, 2006 18:49:28 GMT -6
From t.26 of the current rulebook:
I stand corrected.
In my defense, the saber portion of the rules defines the attack ending with the front foot hitting the ground, so in that event if you step off strip, that action has ended and puts any touch as starting after leaving the strip by definition. Granted that only saves me when the fencer with one foot off was attacking, but I'll take what I can get.
Dan
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