Jett
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Post by Jett on Jun 3, 2008 12:03:56 GMT -6
SWIFA 1 will be hosted by the University of Houston on Sept 27th. Please check AskFred for More Info and preregister your teams.
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Post by LongBlade on Jun 4, 2008 12:56:25 GMT -6
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supox
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Post by supox on Jul 6, 2008 21:37:18 GMT -6
ugh... UST fencing is becoming too recreational and apathetic, my team doesn't want to get involved at all.
Too bad there are no individual events.
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Post by LongBlade on Jul 6, 2008 23:45:38 GMT -6
ugh... UST fencing is becoming too recreational and apathetic, my team doesn't want to get involved at all. Too bad there are no individual events. UST has never contacted SWIFA to apply for membership. Y'all couldn't fence anyway for that reason. Too bad, because we'd like to have you! Just got requests to join from Trinity and SHSU. And we do have individual events (For fun and which have no effect on the points standings). We've always had a second day of individual fencing at SWIFA #4 and the By-Laws have been recently amended to allow a sponsor team to have individuals after any of the SWIFA competitions.
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Post by fox on Jul 7, 2008 7:11:33 GMT -6
the By-Laws have been recently amended to allow a sponsor team to have individuals after any of the SWIFA competitions. So you're saying that, for example, after SWIFA #2, if 8 fencers there want to fence individual epee, you will let them have at it? Oh, and to supox, my understanding is that a SWIFA team (like a USFA team) can consist of as little as 3 fencers. Couldn't you convince even two colleagues?
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nemo
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Post by nemo on Jul 7, 2008 8:21:15 GMT -6
Just got requests to join from Trinity and SHSU. Excellent!
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Post by D on Jul 7, 2008 11:59:37 GMT -6
the By-Laws have been recently amended to allow a sponsor team to have individuals after any of the SWIFA competitions. So you're saying that, for example, after SWIFA #2, if 8 fencers there want to fence individual epee, you will let them have at it? Oh, and to supox, my understanding is that a SWIFA team (like a USFA team) can consist of as little as 3 fencers. Couldn't you convince even two colleagues? Yea, but the reason for that change is the cost burden for the second day... having one individuals event at the last swifa (SWIFA 4) kinda puts a burden on the people up to host it.
So now you can host any SWIFA as a one day event, or a two day event. Its the hosts choice.
www.swifa.net SWIFA WEBSITE recently updated by the way...
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Post by D on Jul 7, 2008 12:01:43 GMT -6
By the way, what is UST??
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Post by LongBlade on Jul 7, 2008 13:03:33 GMT -6
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Post by schlager7 on Jul 7, 2008 20:50:56 GMT -6
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supox
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Post by supox on Jul 8, 2008 9:19:45 GMT -6
The ones who actually want to join are not even UST students. Unfortunately, the rest of the team doesn't want to get involved because:
1. Coach says so 2. Believe everything will be disorganized 3. Is not worth it 4. There is no way these paradigms above will change
That's the sad position at UST regarding intercollegiate fencing. Good for me, I have one year left and probably studying medicine at UT-SA or Texas A&M. Looking forward to fence more.
and LongBlade, we were contacted by TSU regarding that. I gladly accepted but the team and coach declined.
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Post by LongBlade on Jul 8, 2008 15:46:16 GMT -6
the By-Laws have been recently amended to allow a sponsor team to have individuals after any of the SWIFA competitions. So you're saying that, for example, after SWIFA #2, if 8 fencers there want to fence individual epee, you will let them have at it? Oh, and to supox, my understanding is that a SWIFA team (like a USFA team) can consist of as little as 3 fencers. Couldn't you convince even two colleagues? Not really. In the past there was a second day of individual events held at the SWIFA #4. In part to keep people there to vote at the Annual Meeting, and in part, just for the heck of doing it. Now any team sponsoring a SWIFA competition can elect to hold individual events on a separate date. The proposition which was voted in at the last meeting on March 29, 2008 was this: Formally define SWIFA as a “Team Competition”.While there will be NO penalty for individual events, said events will occur at the discretion of the host school and NOT on the same day as team events. SWIFA will bear no logistical or monetary support for individual events, nor will it accept any liability for operations or results. SWIFA will also not receive any monetary gain for ONLY individual events; all proceeds will in effect go to the host school as a separate competition.
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Post by LongBlade on Jul 8, 2008 15:56:34 GMT -6
The ones who actually want to join are not even UST students. Unfortunately, the rest of the team doesn't want to get involved because: 1. Coach says so 2. Believe everything will be disorganized 3. Is not worth it 4. There is no way these paradigms above will change That's the sad position at UST regarding intercollegiate fencing. 1. Can't argue with the Coach, however wrong he may be. 2. Obviously they haven't bothered to come see how well a competition is run under the new organization and format. 3. A matter of opinion that many other schools don't share. 4. Can't fight a closed mind. So sad.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Jul 8, 2008 17:02:05 GMT -6
Who is the coach at UST?
Dan
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Post by fox on Jul 8, 2008 17:42:32 GMT -6
Who is the coach at UST?
Dan According to the link schlager7 put in his post, Scott Brown is the coach.
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supox
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Post by supox on Jul 8, 2008 19:00:17 GMT -6
The ones who actually want to join are not even UST students. Unfortunately, the rest of the team doesn't want to get involved because: 1. Coach says so 2. Believe everything will be disorganized 3. Is not worth it 4. There is no way these paradigms above will change That's the sad position at UST regarding intercollegiate fencing. 1. Can't argue with the Coach, however wrong he may be. 2. Obviously they haven't bothered to come see how well a competition is run under the new organization and format. 3. A matter of opinion that many other schools don't share. 4. Can't fight a closed mind. So sad. Believe me, I'm not happy at all with my team right now. I will send the invitation once again though.
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Post by schlager7 on Jul 8, 2008 20:31:18 GMT -6
supox, I don't know if it will help, but I like to think your coach and I have some decent history.
Ask him to contact me. I like to think he knows I wouldn't snow him.
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Post by katyblades on Aug 13, 2008 16:20:44 GMT -6
Is this event still being held? This is a snippet from an email from Matt. If there is an SSCC that weekend or an exclusive weekend for a club then the tournament is banned by the the Gulf Coast Division.
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"Division have asked me to inform you that the next meeting of the Tournament Committee will take place on August 15th at 7:00 PM at the Houston Athletic Fencing Center at 4997 West Bellfort.
(I apologize for the relatively short notice, but there have been multiple changes of the time and date since I was first made aware, and only now does it seem safe to say it won't change yet again.)
I was not asked to provide any specific additional information, but it would seem appropriate to repeat (with slight adjustments) what I passed on to you one year ago.
Each current USFA-member Division Club in good standing is invited to send one representative to help in the process of setting the Division sanctioned tournaments for the 2007-8 season. Note that a club is a "qualified club" (entitled to scheduling of sanctioned tournaments) if it belongs to the USFA, and also belonged to the USFA for at least six months of the previous season. Remember to renew your Club Membership with the USFA immediately, if not already done, so that you can maintain your status! Please have your representative come prepared with some dates that you would like for your "exclusive weekend", as well as any other tournament dates that you are interested along with the events that you have planned. Please remember that NOTHING (sanctioned or unsanctioned) can be scheduled against an exclusive weekend as that would nullify the whole point of those week-ends! Remember it is your representative's responsibility to communicate back to their club what has happened so send someone who will take notes and report back! We also need the names of people from your Club who are willing and able to serve as Tournament Reps for Division Sanctioned Tournaments.
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Post by schlager7 on Aug 13, 2008 18:09:11 GMT -6
Actually, the Gulf Coast Division is a division of the USFA.
SWIFA events are no more USFA than a classical salle d'armes, the NCAA, the SCA or ARMA. In fact, NONE of the SWIFA tournaments are sanctioned by the USFA.
No one gets USFA letter rankings in a SWIFA event. Some rules in SWIFA tournaments diverge from the USFA.
Neither the Gulf Coast Division (nor the USFA as a whole) has any power over a SWIFA event.
Also, the SWIFA #1 tournament is scheduled a week after the nearest SSCC.
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Post by katyblades on Aug 14, 2008 12:43:28 GMT -6
I agree. The Gulf Coast Division has nothing to do with SWIFA. It also has nothing to do with any high school fencing in the area that is set up in a similar fashion, and will be this year. If you look in similar posts I will have tremendously expanded the number of clubs this year and they will be high school teams.
A non-USFA high school event has no bearing or is not controlled by the USFA or Gulf Coast Division. I am glad to see you agree.
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Post by D on Aug 14, 2008 13:02:08 GMT -6
Sorry, i feel the need once again to reiterate that SWIFA doesn't make the tournament date.. The SWIFA school host does.... In this case U of H.
So if there is a problem that someone has with a SWIFA date you'd have to contact that school club....
The only rule that SWIFA has, is that it must not clash with another "SWIFA school" hosted event. Because that would mean that team can't come. Then that club would contact SWIFA in this case......
But ya'll might have already heard me say that before. Just thought Id say again.
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Post by schlager7 on Aug 14, 2008 17:18:42 GMT -6
Whether it is SWIFA, NCAA, UIL or some high school league just formed from scratch, as long as it is not a USFA tournament neither the division nor the national office has a horse in that race.
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Post by katyblades on Aug 15, 2008 16:24:48 GMT -6
I see we are still on the same page. That is NOT what was expressed at last year's meeting by the officers, nor was that what was expressed in the email.
I had one high school club that had a booth at fish camp and had 70+ fresh sign up. It does not hurt that the officers are pretty ladies, but I think there may be an interest there.
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Post by LongBlade on Sept 14, 2008 11:50:13 GMT -6
Any word on if U of H will still be able to host the SWIFA #1 on September 27, 2008? I can't find any word on the net about the damage to their campus. Also, It may be too early to make an assessment of the availability of hotel/motel rooms, but it is a consideration since many SWIFA teams will be traveling.
As a backup plan, I have already heard from Dean Lantrip and he says he can reserve the two upstairs gyms at Texas State, but he needs to hear something right away. It would still be U of H's competition, but Texas State is ready and willing to offer the venue and support staff to help out.
Jett: If you see this, call Dean right away.
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Post by Jett on Sept 14, 2008 18:18:32 GMT -6
I talked to Dead briefly today, UH is aiming to have the campus up and running by Tuesday. There isn't much property damage in Houston. Nothing that would warrent people having to book all the hotels. If we can't host SWIFA due to some unforseen circumstance, I will know by Friday.
Also, Kyle, can you send out an e-mail to the SWIFA clubs and ask them to register their teams on Fred so we have a rough guess of who is going to be showing up?
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