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Post by Dan Gorman on Sept 27, 2007 10:04:57 GMT -6
From the USFA site and verified by Bill Oliver:
"Substitution and use of the non-sword hand and arm
t.22. 1. The use of the non-sword hand and arm to carry out an offensive or defensive action is forbidden (cf. t.114, t.117, t.120). Should such an offence occur, the touch scored by the fencer at fault is annulled and the latter will be penalized as specified for offences of the 2nd group (red card)."
Have fun all.
Dan
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Post by kd5mdk on Sept 27, 2007 10:19:26 GMT -6
Thanks for posting this.
Just to clarify, this does not affect ordinary "covering target". It is for the active use of the non-weapon hand.
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Post by DavidSierra on Sept 27, 2007 13:52:24 GMT -6
Thanks for posting this. Just to clarify, this does not affect ordinary "covering target". It is for the active use of the non-weapon hand. Andy has it right. It is only for parrying with the off weapon arm, or similar situations. Normal covering is not affected.
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Post by katyblades on Sept 28, 2007 10:09:20 GMT -6
This is probably one of the moves most abused and the one missed the most. There were times in a past "meaner" life I got so tired of this that I aimed for the back arm because it was being used to block and my opponent would move it to parry and I would score directly. Or I would hit the gloved, non-sword hand. That should be an indicator.
It is funny when I see someone get hit there that parries with the non-sword arm and complains. What was it doing there in the first place?
If I got a post credit for each time it has happened to me then I would be one of the most frequent posters in history.
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Post by DavidSierra on Sept 28, 2007 11:45:49 GMT -6
*nods* It IS a hard thing to see, no doubt about it. Its really hard to see when you've got two same handed opponents and the one with his off-weapon hand away from you is using it. What is even more difficult to see is when it occurs during infighting. And its occasionally accompanied by a deliberate corps-a-corps to stop the action. Talk about a mess to sort out! Many epee refs are not comfortable with judgment calls of this nature - even referees who also do high level foil and sabre (where judgment calls are intrinsically part of the process). I know myself, I've even passed on opportunities to make one of these calls, and thought in hindsight, "yea, that was probably deliberate." The clear cut cases are easy. Its the not-so-clear ones that make your toes curl. Naturally . And no, I don't have a good solution, either!
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