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Post by JEC on Apr 18, 2009 14:20:28 GMT -6
Venue - nice Referee cadre - very nice Organization - nice
Holding a Tournament with THUNDERSTORMS and FLOODING!
Only issue was non-water bottles or food not allowed in the gyms.
Men's Epee DIV IA (52 competitors - 13 qualified):
Top 8 (winners in top 4) Logan Crosby Koester GBFC beats Matthew Frost 15TF (6th place) Joseph S Wiley - ALLIANCE beats Nikhil Patel 15TF (5th place)
Mike Anderson Casey Blough Wojciechowski, Matthew TEX / UTEP Jno-Finn, Davis
Rest of TOP 16 out of 52 competitors
9. Robert Janca 10. Ethan Dubois - TFA 11. J. Enrique Cavazos - 15TF 12. Dean Lantrip - 13. Gregory Micek - SM ================== 14. Patrick Moore - GBFC 15. Zion Witte - ALLIANCE 16. Brandon A Merz - SM
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Post by kd5mdk on Apr 18, 2009 22:52:08 GMT -6
Thanks for posting Jose.
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 19, 2009 21:36:18 GMT -6
Just added to one of my YouTube sites, the Junior Men's Epee final between Ben Freiman (on the right) and Joseph Wiley (on the left).
First encounter
Second encounter
Third/Final encounter
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Post by nemo on Apr 19, 2009 22:08:19 GMT -6
1.) Quality of the competition: INTENSE! I'm into epee, so that's my perspective. Ben, BTW, deserves the win we see in schlager's clips. He was focused like a laser beam! Wiley... he was going to tied scores and pulling rabbits out of his hat all weekend. Weird style but he was VERY effective. I missed the final today. Thanks for the clips. 2.) Venue: Great! I love Call to Arms for the same reason... ROOM! 3.) Referees: What's this? Did I walk into a Div I NAC? ? Brad Baker? Derek Cotton? Wow. 4.) Organization: Pretty darned good. A few things started a bit late, but given the fencers who turned out, I'll not complain (can you believe it?) Who's the newbie working with the Jaimie/Matt combo? 5.) Overall Feel: One of the best "qualifying competitions" I have been to in years! Whoever was responsible must be CHAINED to this event FOREVER!
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Post by kon on Apr 20, 2009 0:02:29 GMT -6
1.) Quality of the competition: INTENSE! I'm into epee, so that's my perspective. Ben, BTW, deserves the win we see in schlager's clips. He was focused like a laser beam! Wiley... he was going to tied scores and pulling rabbits out of his hat all weekend. Weird style but he was VERY effective. I missed the final today. Thanks for the clips. Ditto the thanks, I was doing yard work. Feh. What do you find weird about his style? Seems pretty standard invito/french grip attack/counter to me. But it would, I guess. K O'N
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Post by nemo on Apr 20, 2009 10:37:55 GMT -6
Sorry. I was unclear. By the finals Wiley's style was more subdued. Both guys were tired, no doubt. Earlier he used his jump forward, jump back, crouch lean backwards, jump forward moves.
Let's just say the footwork read as weird... to me. OTOH, it was definitely effective.
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Post by kon on Apr 20, 2009 11:30:09 GMT -6
Sorry. I was unclear. By the finals Wiley's style was more subdued. Both guys were tired, no doubt. Earlier he used his jump forward, jump back, crouch lean backwards, jump forward moves. Let's just say the footwork read as weird... to me. OTOH, it was definitely effective. Hi Sorry if the tone was terse, I wasn't trying to jump on you, I was honestly curious what you thought was weird about his fencing. I've been hearing "d**n, you're one oddball epee fencer" for twenty years about my own fencing. What's so oddball? I'm a perfectly normal person in every respect. Honest. Regarding Scott, the leaning stuff is his own thing, as is the little Irish jig he throws in, but the jump in and out is a standard counter-attacker's provocation, as far as I can see. Like Milanoli. Yeah, that's it, I fence just like Milanoli. Really. K O'N also, I'm ten feet tall and have laser beam eyes, but that's not important right now
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Post by medphys on Apr 20, 2009 15:38:00 GMT -6
Women's senior foil top eight yesterday was pretty intense with 3 A rated and 2 B rated fencers going at it. NOt that easy to get that many top rated women foil fencers together in one spot. Haven't seen an A rated women's foil event in Texas in a long time. Congrats to Marissa Gomez who earned her A2009 rating by winning yesterday.
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 22, 2009 19:27:26 GMT -6
Haven't seen an A rated women's foil event in Texas in a long time. No kidding! Great, huh? Who's the newbie working with the Jaimie/Matt combo? That would be my wife, Nicole. (Maupin on this forum). Interesting to hear her called a newbie. Her first fencing coach was Claude Caux!
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Post by DavidSierra on Apr 23, 2009 9:05:14 GMT -6
5.) Overall Feel: One of the best "qualifying competitions" I have been to in years! Whoever was responsible must be CHAINED to this event FOREVER! Unlikely to happen. See campechesteel.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=SWSection&action=display&thread=2536. According to two of the coaches who were holding extensive proxies, its because, among other things, the expectation of quality at regional events like Sectionals and the SSCC's has been too high. We need to go back to the days of self-refereed pools, and referees who work as volunteers, where maybe they get a bit of gas money for their troubles if they're coming in from out of town. Go figure...
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Post by nemo on Apr 23, 2009 11:15:54 GMT -6
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Post by Dan Gorman on Apr 23, 2009 13:44:36 GMT -6
First, no one in any way is advocating a return to self-refereeing. To the contrary, the feeling is that we have the referee resources to competently referee the event using more local candidates. The Section would be better served to further develop it's referees with clinics. Coaching seminars would be good. To fly referees in from the coasts to do a job our refs can do is maybe not the best use of limited resources.
Second, the tournament was much larger this year than past years. It made a couple hundred dollars (treasurer's report had it under $100 at the meeting, but projected it to adjust upward). With more normal numbers (non-national is in our section years), that tournament loses money. It's not feasible to run that tournament that way year in and year out.
It was a great tournament. It ran smoothly, the refs were great, there was some great fencing. It isn't a viable long-term model though. The Section needs to take a longer view and develop our referees. We already have Justin, Amgat, Jerry who ref finals at NACs -- why aren't we working to get others to that level?
Just a different point of view, but I do feel David's representation of those who voted him out is specious at best.
Dan
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 23, 2009 17:48:45 GMT -6
We already have Justin, Amgat, Jerry who ref finals at NACs -- why aren't we working to get others to that level? Because most of our highest level referees are coaches or fencers, who have other things they plan to be doing at sectionals or nationals than refereeing?
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Post by DavidSierra on Apr 25, 2009 18:30:36 GMT -6
Dan - We'll see. If at the next event run by certain persons, the officials are told that they will not be paid scale ... we'll know who is right .
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Post by Jett on Apr 27, 2009 7:31:05 GMT -6
Matt Cooper called me a while back and told me about his experience at a Divisional Qualifier up north. There was no weight, shim, mask, lame, or body cord check. The pools were self reffed by in house referees who looked to their team mates when they were unsure of a call.
If this Section were reduced to such low standards, the level of fencing and the number of participants in the sport will drop faster than Brewer can defeat a newbie.
The level of expectation can't be "too high." There's a way Sectional events should be run, and that's what's to be expected. Nothing less. I personally would refuse to leave Houston to fence an SSCC that had in pool refereeing.
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Post by Jett on Apr 27, 2009 7:34:08 GMT -6
On another note, I am going to be meeting with the recreation center tomorrow to try to get them to stop screwing us over on the venue. Any feedback on the tournament would be a great help.
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Post by JEC on Apr 27, 2009 9:23:58 GMT -6
Jett,
It was a very nice venue with great referees and bout committee. The only down was the food/drink policy. It might be useful to have a few more chairs. ... Edit: and have a working "wireless internet."
When I was in-line at Subway, across the street, there were a few UH students talking about fencing ... first time they seen fencing, how cool it was, etc. It might be useful for your club (hosting) to have a table with a banner U of H Fencing Club Info.
Great job!
JEC
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 28, 2009 9:07:24 GMT -6
For Jett:
Great venue. I agree with JEC that it would also be an excellent opportunity to have material on the UH club for any passers by among the students and faculty.
The "back door/ fire exit" alarm all day was a bit of an annoyance.
You might remind them that competitors... serious competitors... nationally ranked competitors from at least 4 states attended and that it was a fairly prestigious event FOR THE FACILITY to host.
To the Dan/David/Nemo branch of this thread:
My personal feeling is that there are sufficient local, division-level tournaments for beginning/rising young (& not-so-young) referees to grow through. For qualifying paths to the national championships, I think the better a referee you can get... the better.
As to using local referees for such a tournament, there were very few Gulf Coast referees at this event. I know of a number who were asked, apparently agreed and failed to show.
As far as the high level referees from outside the SW Section we had what, Brad Baker, Kelly Johnson, Derek Cotton, Mark Stasinos? Arron Clements is technically not SW Section, but the Plains Texas Division is a neighbor to 4 SW Section Divisions.
As stated, attendance was larger than normal, due in part, no doubt, to the fact that nationals will be in Texas this year. All the more reason to hire extras to beef up the SW cadre.
While a nice bonus for the fencers, I fail to see why it sparked such controversey. The national referee issue is more a tempest in a teapot to me.
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Post by nemo on Apr 28, 2009 11:54:33 GMT -6
Per Jose, a wifi connection WOULD be nice.
Per John, sell them on the prestige to them (UH) in being hosts.
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