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Post by schlager7 on Mar 27, 2006 16:05:48 GMT -6
I was reading a thread on scoreboxes and got curious as to how many of which models the different clubs had in their possession.
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Post by kd5mdk on Mar 27, 2006 17:08:39 GMT -6
UTFC owns, as far as I know: 4 or 5 Favero FA-01 1 Favero FA-05 1 Favero FA-05 wall mount (not mounted) 2 Triplette Club Machines 4? Old Blue Prieur machines 1 Even Older Prieur machine 1 old small SG machine
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Post by Parry Nine on Mar 27, 2006 18:25:57 GMT -6
Tech owns 2 and posses 2 that are half owned by the division. We are thinking of getting one of the Favero Arm-3 boxes.
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Post by kd5mdk on Mar 27, 2006 22:10:00 GMT -6
They sound like very capable machines, although I'm not sure I'd use the extra features over an FA-05. It sure can be convenient to use the boxes with remotes to keep score. However, the one flaw I've seen is the boxes fail to have a way to add a few seconds onto the clock if an error has been made (such as a fencer went off strip or halt was called for another reason and the box kept ticking down because it wasn't stopped fast enough). Best I've seen done was set it to a minute remaining and then count down, which is annoying.
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Post by DavidSierra on Mar 28, 2006 9:59:08 GMT -6
But then again, I'm not familiar with any box that has the capability to adjust the time in the manner in which you suggest.
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Post by kd5mdk on Mar 28, 2006 11:28:32 GMT -6
Indeed, and that's too bad, as it could be really useful.
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 21, 2006 8:51:36 GMT -6
Not a club's set, but I believe the Gulf Coast Division owns two Favero FA-05s.
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Post by Parry Nine on Apr 21, 2006 10:06:29 GMT -6
Nevermind. We did get a Arm-05. The Arm 3 is the one without the timer and score, right?
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Post by kd5mdk on Apr 21, 2006 13:21:23 GMT -6
The FA-01 is the basic model you usually see. The FA-05 is the one with built in timer and score. The FA-03 is apparently their top of the line "FIE Finals" model with extension lights, external score and time and a whole bunch of features. Reading up on it was impressive.
Any other clubs want to chime in? I saw an old looking box (at least early 90s) that said "Sabre only" or something like it at the Pouj this year, was quite curious about its history.
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 25, 2006 9:50:27 GMT -6
Sadly, the Galveston club has no scoreboxes to call their own.
The Clear Lake Fencing Club has one Eigertek, 1 Favero (FA 01), and two SGs, I cna't recall the model off the top of my head...
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Post by kd5mdk on Apr 25, 2006 9:59:36 GMT -6
I saw an old looking box (at least early 90s) that said "Sabre only" or something like it at the Pouj this year, was quite curious about its history. I think I may have found it: www.fencing.net/forums/post414408-43.htmlHmm...
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Post by swordmaster on Apr 26, 2006 7:47:35 GMT -6
Estoc is coming out with a corded and wireless machine that has the ability to adjust the clock. Of course it will not be cheap and will be used mainly by the FIE or larger organizations. For club use, we have 4 Full Arm-01 machines with repeater lights mounted in the club (Sword Sports). I run across antique machines from time to time, but I don't waste my time on them (or money) since it would be counter productive to try and use them in any real fencing situation due to timing changes and the advances in micro chip technology.
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Post by kd5mdk on Apr 26, 2006 8:00:40 GMT -6
Are there any boxes which supported epee (since 1936, at least) which, if not broken, would not support the epee of today?
I find old boxes to be entertaining historical curiousities.
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Post by swordmaster on Apr 26, 2006 8:44:08 GMT -6
Are there any boxes which supported epee (since 1936, at least) which, if not broken, would not support the epee of today? The lockout timing has changed over the years and the ability of the modern scoring machines to react to the action has increased dramatically. Also there are some machines today that can tolerate one wire being shorted to the ground and the circuit still function properly. Since these historical machines do not have the ability to be "updated" I find it useless to either train or compete on them. That is unless you are just wanting to screw up your timing or maybe longing for the "good ol' days" when epee was dry. In that case one might as well just be a classical fencer, or start doing rapier and dagger sword play.
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Post by LongBlade on Apr 26, 2006 15:58:54 GMT -6
I saw an old looking box (at least early 90s) that said "Sabre only" or something like it at the Pouj this year, was quite curious about its history. In addition to a bunch of new stuff, John Moreau has a collection of antique machines. Many of them have been extensively "modified"... read that "jury-rigged"... over the years. You ought to ask him if you can see the elephant graveyard of old machines. He loves to show off his toys! The one you saw at the Pouj was labeled "Epee Only".
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Post by fox on Apr 28, 2006 10:24:45 GMT -6
I'm curious how many clubs still have boxes on the old foil & sabre timings. I guess they're still okay for epee?
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Post by kd5mdk on Apr 28, 2006 10:33:22 GMT -6
I'd imagine most clubs who bought their boxes before the timing change have some, especially if they don't throw out old ones but buy new ones (note the Triplette, Prieur etc boxes I listed for UT) when needed. I can't swear any of them work, but they'd do if we needed to hold as big a tournament as possible all on our own.
As it is, I think the willingness of clubs and divisions to share equipment for tournaments is a very good thing.
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Post by schlager7 on Apr 28, 2006 11:11:26 GMT -6
One of the two SGs at CLFC still has the old timings. Yes, we use it for epee...
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Post by MTD on May 2, 2006 20:55:51 GMT -6
The Clear Lake Fencing Club has one Eigertek, 1 Favero (FA 01), and two SGs, I cna't recall the model off the top of my head... The CLFC SGs are one SG12V2 (currently old timings but in the pipeline for an upgrade) and one SG12V3 (currently new timings).
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Post by MTD on May 2, 2006 21:13:05 GMT -6
... I guess they're still okay for epee? The most recent timings change (the "Leipzig" timing) had to do with saber and foil changes. Épée was not mentioned at all. So, épée old timings are épée new timings. Indeed, if Schlager7 consults his copy of the 1968 AFLA rules, rule 724, he will find that the two most important numbers of épée timing (less than 1/25 second must register as a doublé, over 1/20 second must register as a single touch) hasn't changed since back then! However, it also still works to put on a poker face and try to discuss with many fencers whether they're using a box with the proper new épée timings. (With a few fencers, it also works to mention saber weights.) (It even works with novices to mention wires for electric sabers. Actually, there are wires for electric sabers, if you're building one with a foil two-prong connector. Since the foil connector has the B hole electrically isolated from the bracket, it has to be shorted to the bracket = C hole somehow. Some connectors do not like to have some of the insulation removed from around the B hole. That's what you use a paper clip, I mean, a saber wire for.)
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Post by kd5mdk on May 3, 2006 15:06:54 GMT -6
I have made a habit when there's free time on the strip to check the sabre shims.
Can anyone confirm that the epee timings have stayed the same since 1936, when electrical epee was adopted by the FIE?
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