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Post by bobb121 on Jul 1, 2006 22:11:53 GMT -6
I have been looking at STM jackets and Lames. The jackets are advertised as not shrinking and can be washed at any temp. The STM Lame's as I was last aware would last for about a year, until they got redesigned. Could any one give me feed back on these.
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Post by kd5mdk on Jul 2, 2006 5:10:03 GMT -6
Where are you seeing them? Scott Harkey of Swordmasters said on fencing.net that he bought a supply of the StM lames to serve as a budget line, but they were the worse pieces of crap he'd seen, or something to that effect.
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Post by bobb121 on Jul 2, 2006 12:51:47 GMT -6
I am seeing them on shopeli.com
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Post by bobb121 on Jul 2, 2006 12:52:43 GMT -6
And I assume that compared to the estoc lame's that they would be crap
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Post by Damaris on Nov 8, 2006 12:52:29 GMT -6
I HAVE A QUESTION/IDEA Since they stopped making the infinity lames, I was thinking about how to get the next best thing seeing that the main problem with lames is there being too hot and stiff. So my question is.... it would still be a legal lame if for example, i took any lame, (namely the new cloth AF washable one) and replaced inner lining with an infinity lining right? Because the holes in the inner lining are what make it perfect!!!!!!!
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Post by Dan Gorman on Nov 8, 2006 14:04:09 GMT -6
The rules say something about the inner lining needing to insulate the fencer from the material. The Infinity lames had a special exemption from the rule after numerous demonstrations and appeals to the FIE. I'm not clear on the rational for this, but I don't think the rules have changed.
Dan
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Post by Damaris on Nov 8, 2006 16:01:22 GMT -6
ok, humm i wonder if a actuly took it from my practice infinity would it be irrifutable. oh well i also sent the question to info @ usfa's email too. We will see what they say...........
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Post by kd5mdk on Nov 8, 2006 16:11:00 GMT -6
The reason for the insulation is so that you cannot form a salt-bridge between your jacket and lame. For example, if you sweated enough and the lame material wasn't insulated, you could start receiving hits on your arms or legs. Now, you might say "So what, fencer's problem?" But what if there was enough sweat their glove shorted to their grip (like happens in epee sometimes) and from there all the way up their arm to the lame? Depending on the box setup, their lame might be grounded out like their foil is.
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Post by Damaris on Nov 9, 2006 14:37:00 GMT -6
I guess the only problem with that logic is that im never soaked in sweat if im wearing an infinity lame.
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Post by Dan Gorman on Nov 9, 2006 22:28:28 GMT -6
That was the argument Infinity used. They basically said, "Here's the science, we're all good," and then waited for the FIE to decide whether science was something that should be allowed.
Dan
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Post by fox on Nov 10, 2006 8:48:40 GMT -6
and then waited for the FIE to decide whether science was something that should be allowed. Hmm, they never let it get in their way before...
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Post by Damaris on Nov 10, 2006 11:29:38 GMT -6
That was the argument Infinity used. They basically said, "Here's the science, we're all good," and then waited for the FIE to decide whether science was something that should be allowed. Dan Haaa Haaa Haaa I think that alot of people in this world dont let science and logic get in the way of there "thinking". Seeing that i have a degree in a science, that is something ive delt with in other people most of my life.... So here again i guess we go round and round the unlogical merry go round.
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Post by katyblades on Nov 15, 2006 11:40:43 GMT -6
I can tell you very specifically that if you sweat enough you can get hit on the legs in saber even with the lined lames and get recorded valid hits. It happened to me at U of H this year, when I was fencing foil and saber and the delay in foil caused me to be fencing both DEs back and forth. I was grounding in foil hitting my opponent in foil, and tried switching gloves and I started getting leg hits in saber. At that point I just decided it was good to go. Besides, the welts in the legs were not fun and I decided if they wanted to hit me that badly then they deserved to win.
The foil grounding surprised me until the end of the bout, because it used to be opposite for so long and such an issue in Texas. We would always have to search our opponents for insulated grips and their glove. Some Canadians would show up on strip with very sweaty gloves in the first round of pools at NACs.
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Post by Damaris on Jan 5, 2007 16:14:44 GMT -6
I got the answer to my earlier question. The answer is yes.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At the Richmond Div 1 NAC in DECEMBER, i asked the question to the bout commtiee and they directed me to the approprite person to ask. and the answer was yes, i could remove the linning from any lame i want an replace it with and infinity type lame. ------------------------------------------------------------------------The only rule is that the material itself must be water resistant or something like that. But have hole in the material is just fine according to the rules as they are written. ;D
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