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Post by schlager7 on Jan 21, 2006 8:57:27 GMT -6
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Post by kd5mdk on Jan 23, 2006 2:10:51 GMT -6
We've considered seeing it. I'm hoping to hear some reviews from people I know first.
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Post by vraptor on Jan 23, 2006 2:33:14 GMT -6
Music by Richard Wagner?
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Post by Parry Nine on Jan 23, 2006 13:24:55 GMT -6
Yes. Tristan und Isolde is an opera that he wrote. That's the "Ride of the Valkyries" Wagner.
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Post by Flamberge on Jan 24, 2006 9:37:37 GMT -6
Yes. Tristan und Isolde is an opera that he wrote. That's the "Ride of the Valkyries" Wagner. I don’t know how you can put together the story of Tristan & Isolde which takes place during the reign of King Arthur and the The Valkyrie? The only connection is that Wagner composed operas about both, but so he did about the Mastersingers of Nuremberg, The Flying Dutchman, Rienzi, etc. The relation is neither geographical nor historical. However, your mistakes in geography and history pale in comparison with the mistakes by the principals in the story of the two lovers. Isolde of Ireland was engaged to be married to King Mark of Cornwall. The king sent his nephew Tristan (“the sad one” because he lost his mother at birth) to escort Isolde from Ireland to Cornwall (1st mistake). Enters Isolde’s mother who tries to improve on a good thing (the marriage of her daughter to the king) and gives a magic love potion to Isolde’s maid with instruction to give it to Isolde on her wedding night and keep things on the up and up (2nd mistake). But, during the voyage, Isolde and Tristan drank the potion by accident and fell in love forever (3rd mistake). Isolde married King Mark, but kept her love and an affair with Tristan (4th mistake). King Mark found out about the affair, forgave Isolde but banned Tristan from Cornwall and Tristan joined King Arthur and his gang. In Brittany he met Iseult of … Brittany, and of course became attracted to her because of the similarity of her name to her true love (5th mistake). He married her but did not consummate the marriage because of his true love for Isolde (6th and 7th mistake). No surprise therefore that with all this stress Tristan became ill. As a last resort he sent for Isolde to come and heal him. If she agreed to come, the returning ship’s sails would have to be white, if not, they would have to be black. He then trusted his wife Iseult to tell him what color the ship’s sails were (8th mistake) who told him that they were black while indeed they were white (and who could blame her?). So Tristan died of grief before Isolde could reach him, and Isolde herself died soon thereafter of heartbreak. At this point Iseult regretted her lie after she saw what type of undying love the two had for one another. I leave it up to everyone to draw their own conclusion from this Arthurian story, but don’t mix it with the Valkyrie!
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Post by Dan Gorman on Jan 24, 2006 11:34:48 GMT -6
No one mixed Tristen and Isolde up with the Valkyrie, Parry Nine gave the valkyrie as a second work of Wagner's that everyone knows. As in "this was done by Wagner and so was that." It was fairly clear from the context.
Dan
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Post by fox on Jan 24, 2006 11:36:47 GMT -6
I believe when Parry Nine wrote
it was merely a reference for those who may be unfamiliar with the fact that the composer of the Ride of the Valkyries wrote an opera on the Tristan/Isolde legend.
Many will not know the old legends or the chansons of Tristan and Isolde, let alone know there was an opera by that name. So when vraptor referred to Wagner, Parry Nine just made a connection for those with no background in classical music.
The Ride of the Valkyries is a signature piece familiar to many who are not classical music afficionados. I believe Parry Nine is, in fact, a student of music, and did not confuse the Ride of the Valkyries with being a part of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde.
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Post by kd5mdk on Jan 24, 2006 12:21:11 GMT -6
Especially since Ride of the Valkyries has its very own opera, Die Walku:re.
Also, given the number of composers with similar names, it's always helpful to give additional information to tell them apart, like "Johann Christian Bach, son of J. S." or "Johann Strauss the Elder "Radetsky March, not Richard Strauss "Also sprach Zarathustra" or Johann Strauss the Younder "Blue Danube".
Of course, that does get a bit cumbersome, but it does help from time to time.
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Post by Parry Nine on Jan 30, 2006 9:51:39 GMT -6
Bingo! I'm a master's student and am actually working on lots of Wagner's music for auditions. So, Flamberge:
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Post by vraptor on Jan 30, 2006 14:19:43 GMT -6
Uhh... I was making a J-O-K-E, guys. Is the film's music by Richard Wager? And I know he's been Purina worm chow for over a century. Considering how much of Wagner's work has been "borrowed" by other composers (are you listening, John Williams?) I would sort of expect a little Wagnerian sturm und drang in the soundtrack.
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Post by Parry Nine on Jan 30, 2006 16:39:14 GMT -6
Yes, I know many people that are a little preturbed (sp?) that Wagner's music isn't in the soundtrack. Myself being one of them.
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