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Post by schlager7 on Oct 13, 2005 21:02:24 GMT -6
Dan Kellner, US Olympian, posted the following on Fencing Net. The demonstration was held during the world championships:
I was part of the demonstration at World Championships showing the proposed changes in foil. We fenced wireless foil, which was cool. And we also fenced with the current lamés with and without off-target lights, as well as with modified sabre lamés, once again, with and without off-target lights.
Fencing foil without off-targets basically elimates the need for parry-ripostes.
After the demonstration, the consensus of the FIE was just to implement wireless foil with no further changes. However, since the FIE does whatever it wants, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by LongBlade on Oct 13, 2005 21:36:19 GMT -6
Fencing foil without off-targets basically elimates the need for parry-ripostes.
After the demonstration, the consensus of the FIE was just to implement wireless foil with no further changes. However, since the FIE does whatever it wants, we'll just have to wait and see. And just what the heck is foil without the "parry-riposte"? Epee??? Great idea, FIE!!![/i][/color][/size]
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Post by schlager7 on Oct 14, 2005 8:09:13 GMT -6
Dan Kellner has recently added the following.
I don't think they're going to change the time much/at all. Johan Popp told me that the FIE is willing to sacrifice a set of straight touches in order to eliminate the flick in foil. Obviously this is ridiculous, but it is what has come to pass.
Secondly, in the wireless demonstration, with Rene Roch watching, I landed some flicks to the back (ripostes & counter-attacks), though using a modified techinique, (not quite the way I used to flick). After the wireless system was taken down, Rene then proceeded to say that the demonstration was null & void because he had seen me flick, and since the wireless system was taken down, he could not verify that I was fencing with the new timings. Sergey Golubitsky then spoke to Roch and told me that Roch doesn't believe it's possible to "out-fence" the machine with a new flick technique. Roch believes all flicks on the new machine are impossible.
More responses coming later. I need to go watch the men's sabre team
followed by
We asked the FIE to set the machines to 12 miliseconds, just for fun and to see what it felt like... and of course, they refused to let us.
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Post by schlager7 on Oct 14, 2005 8:28:51 GMT -6
There is also a very good article on these tests here: www.fencing.net/forums/fencing-news/t19994.htmlThe same article covers the use of instant replay, as well. Below I have excerpted the paragraphs dealing strictly with timings and target...On a sleepy Wednesday for fencers because the organizers are preparing for the team competitions; Dan Kellner (USA) and Yusuke Fukoda (JPN) showed the world of foil without wires and white lights. The finals strip was step up to demonstrate the StM wireless system. The StM boxes were set at 14-15ms and seemed to work without a challenge. In the beginning, all of the common foil phrases were shown, but at only 50-75% of speed. Later in the demonstration, the Chinese team and a few other competitors, rotated in with various amounts of lame covering their bodies and moved on to normal bouting speed.
The FIE commission was trying out numerous possibilities such as a lame with sleeves, no back sleeve, patches of lame on the weapon arm and lame material on the lower section of a mask bib. Kellner had his own take on no white lights during one of his breaks: “Who is going to parry riposte if there is no white lights? Everyone is just going to remise because it is easier.” This is one of the potential stumbling blocks for the elimination of the white lights for the sake of T.V.
Promoters, like ESPN and Eurosport, have consistently asked the FIE to make the sport easier to watch for a casual viewer. In talking with the head of referees for the FIE, Arthur Cramer, he discussed that this is just one of the ideas that are being played around with the purpose of making fencing more telegenic.
“Having no white lights makes it easier for people to follow. People don’t have to wonder what the light is for” said Cramer. I also asked him to elaborate on other changes, like Lexan masks, which will be enforced next year during certain world cups. “Audiences want to see people’s faces, just like they did with astronauts. Astronauts used to have mirrored helmets, but now they have ones where they can see their faces.” While I don’t think NASA made see thru masks for television audiences, this is a consideration for marketability of the sport.
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