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Post by schlager7 on Aug 20, 2003 18:28:58 GMT -6
August Skopik posted the following information in another thread
We have been kicking around that idea as officers. I am making this suggestion. U of H is having a tournament Sept. 6 and 7, Salle Mauro is having two Sept. 28 and Jan. 24. They can pick one of the two. Now we need each of the clubs to host a local Open and name it for the circuit. I have posted a schedule, so pick dates not on the schedule. The first club that emails me at katyblades@sbcglobal.net gets the first dibs on the dates.
I have several suggestions. I will keep the point totals, email me the results and points are the in reverse in order of place and number of fencers. 23 fencers, 23 points for first, 22 for second, etc. I am not prepared to do a youth Gulf Coast division circuit, because of the RYCs, but it could be in the cards for next year. We will drop one of the circuit's points from the year.
I have several groundrules. The tournament must be an Open. If you host a tournament, you must attend the other club's events. I understand conflicts with individual schedules, but a mass conflict by a club is not understandable. I think that a ban on that club hosting a Gulf Coast Circuit until they have attended that club's event is in order. I think if we make an effort to run this and attend, then we can see exactly where things stand in the division. All I need are dates and tournaments. Remember, the first club that gets it to me gets first choice.
I was mentioning this to some folks and we are also intrigued by the idea. As it is, our club has an untitled Spring open event. Anyone claimed early April yet?
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Post by August Skopik on Aug 20, 2003 21:16:31 GMT -6
Clear Lake has a tournament April 10th, but if you want to claim another date then April 3rd and 4th is open. The Clear Lake club has first dibs on that weekend. What other clubs are interested in participating? The Katy Blades will do a Spring tournament, but everyone else should have first choice. Now is the time to put in the word, and if you are not a club officer, tell your club contact to put in the word.
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Post by August Skopik on Aug 21, 2003 16:12:49 GMT -6
UH has scheduled the first Gulf Coast Division Circuit on Sept. 6th and 7th. Please go to www.uh.edu/~fencing for updated info shortly, but here are the Registration Closing times: Saturday Sept. 6, 2003 Mixed Open Epee 10:00 am Youth 12 and Under Mixed Epee 2:00 pm (Competitors will be placed in pools with similar ages and experience, then will fence in an open direct elimination format) Mixed Open Sabre 2:30 pm Sunday Sept 7, 2003 Mixed Open Foil 12:30 pm Youth 12 and Under Mixed Foil 2:00 pm (Competitors will be placed in pools with similar ages and experience, then will fence in an open direct elimination format) I am helping run the Youth, and we will be having similar ages pooled together. They are then eligible to fence in a direct elimination format based upon the Youth pools. Now a club has stepped up, and it is up to us as a fencing community to support these tournaments.
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Post by Ivanhoe on Aug 29, 2003 11:22:55 GMT -6
Wow,
I followed the flame war in other thread and find myself quite out of the loop. I guess that is what I get for being off in the Bmt. area. I am all for a Gulf Coast circuit as I have no interest in driving to Austin for a tournament.
August, Sinclair will return from Milwakee sometime next week. I will remind him about your suggestion for a tournamet in the area.
Although I understand your rule of banning a club if they do not represent another club's circuit cup, I must complain for the Cavaliers' sake. My understanding is that compared to most fencing clubs, we are very tiny, often having but 4 members on a given night. Our official list of regulars has dwindled down to maybe 6 at the most. Of those fencers, only 3 of us have the disposition to fence tournaments with any regularity. It is quite easy for all three of us to have something going on during a weekend to keep us from making the 90 minute drive to Houston. I for one work full time and am taking 6 hours at Lamar University. I also photograph weddings on Saturdays from time to time. I can speak for myself that I will make every effect to attend the tournaments, but things will come up.
Just something to chew on....
Jeremy from the Spindletop Cavaliers
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Post by Geezer on Sept 1, 2003 16:05:24 GMT -6
August, I just don't like the Idea of penalties.
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Post by August Skopik on Sept 1, 2003 20:07:34 GMT -6
Penalties,
Most of us are not interested in penalties, and quite frankly I am not either. There is one important fact that remains, if we have clubs that schedule tournaments on top of each other then they will fail.
I emailed out a proposed tournament schedule to the club contacts I was given. I heard nothing back except from Mauro's club. After several weeks and additional emails I awarded the tournaments to the only club that responded.
I say this because I have heard that again tournaments are scheduled over one of these tournaments hosted by a specific club. That is what is a losing proposition to the division. That is what will be penalized. We will have clubs host division circuits, and some of them may not be able to send many if any to other tournaments. The issue is scheduling tournaments on top of other tournaments inside our division, or getting us in trouble with the Section. One additional point, and that is boycotting specific club's events.
I know that I am sounding heavy-handed, but we have too many good clubs in the area and we have open dates on the calendar. Let's use those dates where possible.
Jerry Dunaway in South Houston has to schedule his facility in May, and I was unaware of his Nov. 15th tournament. It wouldn't have mattered, because that is when the Section wanted its event in the Gulf Coast Division. I have made a motion for the Division to not put any sanctions on Jerry's club because of these constraints, and I have not heard any objections.
I have to email out the schedules, so that theoretically everyone can receive the schedule at exactly the same time. Therefore, I can't be accused of bias when it is first come, first served. This is not something to be heavy-handed, but just go through one source for all USFA tournaments in the division. But again, if anyone schedules on top of a USFA tournament then the Gulf Coast Division will follow the same procedures as the Section and the National Office.
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Post by InTheMiddle on Sept 4, 2003 23:25:55 GMT -6
Do we know which of the Salle Mauro tournaments is going to be their contribution to the Division circuit? Is it the one this month or next spring?
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Post by August Skopik on Sept 10, 2003 20:42:52 GMT -6
The Salle Mauro tournament that is the division circuit is the Spring tournament, but we found out that there is a conflict with the Pouj. It may be moved from the Jan. 24 date.
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Post by InTheMiddle on Sept 11, 2003 6:11:31 GMT -6
Hmmm...
So SM and Clear Lake will both have tourneys in the Division Circuit in the Spring. Anyone else want to make a Fall committment?
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Post by Ivanhoe on Sept 12, 2003 8:04:41 GMT -6
The Spindletop Cavaliers are looking to make our tournament in the Spring.
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Post by Passing Through on Sept 15, 2003 6:20:09 GMT -6
InTheMiddle, I gues the answer to your question is no. Looks like all the other Division Circuit events will be in the Spring.
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Post by schlager7 on Sept 23, 2003 15:44:17 GMT -6
Just for anyone who has not noticed, A&M's Heavy Metal Tournament is this fall and they have already announced it will be their entry into the Gulf Coast Division Circuit.
BTW: Augie, if you see this, will you be keeping us up to date on fencers' points as we proceed through these Division Circuit tournaments?
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