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Post by medphys on Nov 16, 2007 9:15:32 GMT -6
Based on what I read on FRED that everyone in the southwest section will have to go to Springdale, AR for the Junior OLympic qualifiers. Is this true or will there be a Qualifier here somewhere in Texas?
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Post by nemo on Nov 16, 2007 10:02:44 GMT -6
In spite of it being in Arkansas, I think that is just Oklahoma Division's Qualifiers.
I don't know about every division, but the Gulf Coast is holding theirs the weekend after the NAC in December. That makes it December 15-16.
I can't speak to the other four divisions in Texas.
Actually, now that I look, they are all on this forum's calendar (link at the top of the page).
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Post by medphys on Nov 17, 2007 16:42:58 GMT -6
Any idea when they will post the Gulf Coast JO qualifier on ask Fred?
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Post by katyblades on Nov 17, 2007 19:25:23 GMT -6
That is a good question. The GCD rulings state that all tournaments must be adequately advertised, and this is the 2nd consecutive that has not been advertised in the correct manner with times and registration. The divisionals last spring were not advertised adequately either.
You can look at postings I made about the timing then.
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Post by schlager7 on Nov 17, 2007 21:14:41 GMT -6
Any idea when they will post the Gulf Coast JO qualifier on ask Fred? Sunday night (tomorrow). Just trying to fine tune the schedule as best we can based on the last two years attendance. That will also have it up on FRED almost right at a month before the event.
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Post by JEC on Nov 17, 2007 21:37:14 GMT -6
I have been told that the South Texas JOs Qualifier will be on Dec. 15-16, 2007 in the Gym at the Palo Alto College.
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Post by schlager7 on Nov 17, 2007 21:51:22 GMT -6
Ah, I thought the South Texas calendar was showing December 8-9.
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Post by JEC on Nov 18, 2007 9:44:12 GMT -6
It does, but that is the date too for the NAC C in Richmond. Ms. Howell email me yesterday the new date in response to an unrelated question.
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Post by kb on Nov 19, 2007 4:42:25 GMT -6
So what's the deal with the team competition being added to JOQs for the GCD? That is a pretty aggressive schedule for two days of fencing. There aren't any team events at JO's, so why crowd the schedule?
If this team event is to qualify for summer nationals in 08, it needs to be advertised as such.
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Post by schlager7 on Nov 19, 2007 8:28:15 GMT -6
[NOTE: As this thread has mostly centered on, specifically, the Gulf Coast Division JO Qualifiers, I have moved it from the general TOURNAMENTS board to the GULF COAST DIVISION board].
As a member of the host club for the JO Qualifiers (The Galveston Fencing Club), allow me.
This was a late request made of us since we already had a qualifying tournament for the entire division being set up.
It is true there are no team events at JOs and, normally, such events should be slipped into the divisional qualifiers. This season, however, is an Olympics-focussed season. Division I Championships will not be held at summer nationals (too late for Olympics needs). Division I Championships will be held concurrent with the April 25-28 Youth NAC in Portland Oregon.
The USFA would need our qualifiers no later than a month in advance (figure mid-March 2008, now). That would have left us setting up a THIRD type of qualifiers just for Div Teams and we would have to displace tournaments already promised to Katy Blades or Alliance or try to merge it with a Super RYC here in Houston.
The deciding factor is that our division can qualify (without actual fencing) 4 Div I teams per event. It is like three fencers showing up for, say, cadet women's sabre. All three qualify because three can qualifiy at minimum. They do not actually have to fence unless they want to.
The JO Qualifiers will already have fencers from most of our clubs on hand. Consider Division I Men's Team Epee. Who would field teams? Alliance? Salle Mauro? Katy Blades? BCFA? There is your four. I know Clear Lake and Galveston have few illusions about being able to field Div I quality epee teams. I'd say the same is true for Brazosport Fencing Extravaganza, UH, A&M, Spindletop Cavaliers, etc.
Remember this is Div I Teams only. We can conceivably qualify 4 clubs a Div I Men's Epee Team each; 4 clubs a Div I Mens' Foil Team each; 4 clubs a Div I Men's Sabre team each; 4 clubs a Div I Women's Epee Team each; 4 clubs a Div I Women's Foil Team each; 4 clubs a Div I Women's Sabre Team each.
I do not think we will need all four slots in each gender/weapon.
All without anyone having to stay late and fence. This is purely a semi-convenient way to appease the USFA and bend the rest of the Gulf Coast Division out of shape as little as possible.
The pre-registration on FRED also lets us keep tabs as we go.
Let us say when pre-registration ends the Thursday night at midnight before the event I make a final check and see we have three teams pre-registered for Div I Men's Team Epee. To continue the example, let us say I see one each from Katy Blades, Alliance and Salle Mauro. In the course of the event we find a moment to meet with Augie, Andrey, and Mauro, see to the paperwork, and they return to coaching their kids in the individual qualifiers.
Believe me, Nicole and I have been involved in meetings way later (and more frequently) than either I or my wife (she early on as division officer then abstaining as I was approached on behalf of Galveston) wished to endure to hammer this out. However, the driving concept behind all of the plans was to find a way to minimize the hassle of this once-in-four-years addition to the schedule and keep the USFA happy.
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Post by kb on Nov 19, 2007 9:19:04 GMT -6
As a member of the host club for the JO Qualifiers (The Galveston Fencing Club), allow me. ..... However, the driving concept behind all of the plans was to find a way to minimize the hassle of this once-in-four-years addition to the schedule and keep the USFA happy. Ah, it all makes sense now-but having such a packed schedule the weekend before final exams is not going to be pleasing to the young folk.
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Post by nemo on Nov 19, 2007 9:26:33 GMT -6
Ah, it all makes sense now-but having such a packed schedule the weekend before final exams is not going to be pleasing to the young folk. Looking at the calendar on this forum (my personal favorite, actually), it is a tough month all around. If they bumped it a week earlier they are opposite a Junior NAC. (I recall much complaining the year they tried that in 2004.) Two weeks earlier are the SATs (which my nephew is sweating, even now.) I've heard a bunch of folks grouse over THAT conflict, as well, in 2005 and last year. In December of 2003 they avoided the SAT issue by avoiding holding the event on SAT Saturday at all. They held EVERYTHING that SUNDAY in Salle Mauro's little space. That sure made lots of people happy. The weekend before THAT is Thanksgiving weekend If they hold it a weekend later than scheduled, it is only a couple of days before Christmas. Decembers are tough any way you try it.
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Post by Aldo N on Nov 20, 2007 1:03:37 GMT -6
I started fencing on the East Coast in the late 1950s (giving myself away). Let me assure you it has always been this way.
No matter the date, it creates an unreasonable conflict for someone.
No matter the location, it is rediculously too far for some one.
No matter the host, they will be too partisan for someone.
It has always been this way. It always will be this way.
Good luck...
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Post by JEC on Nov 22, 2007 12:46:14 GMT -6
The STX division calendar has been updated. It now shows the JO qualifiers on Dec. 15-16. www.southtexasdivision.org/calendar.php The tournament has not been uploaded as of yet in AskFred.net, but it is my understanding that it will be there shortly.
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