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Post by schlager7 on Jan 22, 2008 9:19:15 GMT -6
FRED shows 1 B, 1 C & 3 Ds pre-registered at this time.
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Post by fox on Jan 22, 2008 9:56:51 GMT -6
Damaris Dotson... I just plain like her style.
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Post by DavidSierra on Jan 22, 2008 21:39:23 GMT -6
Three of the top WS fencers in the section aren't going to be there, they're going to a training camp instead... *shrug* Its anyone's guess.
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Post by D on Jan 23, 2008 12:21:08 GMT -6
That doesn't include Caitlin does it. She registered last year and didn't come either. I talked to Cathy Latimer at the NAC in Atlanta. Yea she informed me that she promised you (David) that she'd go to something else instead. Ha! she looked kinda dissapointed when I informed her that the Pouj is one of the biggest tournaments in Texas! oh well, im sure she'll have fun nomatter what. ITS KINDA HARD NOT TO HAVE FUN WHIST SWINGING A SWORD AROUND! ;D
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Post by archangel on Jan 24, 2008 3:25:30 GMT -6
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Post by DavidSierra on Jan 24, 2008 12:46:08 GMT -6
Damaris,
Come up to Dallas next weekend or to the Rose and you can fence all of them...
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Post by seeteufel on Jan 24, 2008 16:39:56 GMT -6
Damaris, Come up to Dallas next weekend or to the Rose and you can fence all of them... Those events are looking very anemic. I hope the Rose has a turnout for the wheelchair epee. I'd like to see more fencers involved in that event. I applaud the Rose for adding it to their schedule.
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Post by D on Jan 30, 2008 12:04:15 GMT -6
Anemic indeed.... now you already know.... I’m not gonna go alllllll the way to Louisiana for a small tournament.... time and money.. in a city that i don’t even know where the party is.... However,,, I was gonna go to the Crescent City Open (New Orleans) <I’m starting to be convinced that it’s safe now, i think> this year but i can’t find a hotel room!!!! So i just kinda gave up on that one... I didn’t wanna stay too far from the venue and i was also gonna treat it like a mini vacation so i wanted a nice hotel.... but it looks to be mission impossible
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Post by DavidSierra on Jan 31, 2008 21:51:46 GMT -6
Anemic indeed.... now you already know.... I’m not gonna go alllllll the way to Louisiana for a small tournament.... time and money.. in a city that i don’t even know where the party is.... There's 12 already registered in Women's Sabre (pre-paid mind you, so they're pretty well guaranteed of showing up). And thats without counting the one's who are registered but not paid, and who aren't signed up yet, but will definitely be there (like Latimer from Oklahoma, and I've got at least two more from my club). There were only 14 at the Pouj. I'll be the Rose hits at least 6-8 more, given historical projections. Good shot at a B-rated WS event, even. And believe me, the party in Shreveport is kick A$$ . Ask anyone who's been.
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Post by D on Feb 1, 2008 11:58:21 GMT -6
I guess I dont want it bad enough to go chasing far away smaller tournaments... I say if they want me,, come get me.. I'll be here. There are certain larger tournaments that i always frequent.
(eh hum) Sabre Cave being one of them
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Post by Cathy on Feb 11, 2008 15:36:06 GMT -6
You don't want <i>what</i> bad enough to chase far away smaller tournaments? I didn't make it to the Pouj, and you're not going to make it to the Rose, but I would reeeeally love to see you at an upcoming tournament. You're kind of the only other Div I female saber fencer that I have to practice with. Not to mention the other saberists in the section would love to see how they stand up against you, too. *cough you could come to the Oz cough* I promise I'll stay afterwards and bout until you're tired of me. Yeah, it's small now, and I don't want to just push my home tournament, but I'd love some competition, and I'm not going to another tourny between the Rose and the Oz. So yeah.
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Post by D on Feb 12, 2008 13:26:19 GMT -6
HEY! THERE YOUR ARE! The " dont want it bad enough is " is... to go spend the time and money. its as simple as that. its never more complicated than that...
I was wondering how to get in contact with you... These are tournaments i always go to... 1). The Bobcat (big tournament one of the oldest in texas)
2). The Pouj ( big tournament one of the oldest in texas)
3). Sabre Cave ( big sabre event)
4). Sometimes* The Yorick
5). Sometime* The Masters (didnt go this year)
6). Some of the NAC's
7). SWIFA -Because im back in grad school, I go to all the Collegiate Team events. But when i graduate that will soon be over.
Im not sure about the future of me going to the Crescent City Open but im definatly going this year. Thats why i wanted to contact you to let you now that im going to that one incase your not an "askfred.net" checker uper
I ALWAYS register on askfred. And unlike alot of other people i do take the time to keep my registration link just incase im not gonna go, so i can do people the courtesy of Un-registering myself if im not going. However unlikely that is, usually if i register, im going. i can only think of one time in many a year, were i did have to unregister myself.
P.S. I hate long trips in cars if you dont already know. The one time i did go to an Oklahoma tournament i FLEW. Full time job and no school then.
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Post by D on Feb 12, 2008 16:28:05 GMT -6
I must say that i am flattered that people want to fence me enough to ask me personally to come to certain tournamants. Unfortunatly, Im not good enough for organizers to want to waive only the entry fees; let alone gas and a place to stay... Maybe one day I'll get good enough to be like those fencers that gets flown in to Regional tounaments from New York (yea right) And on top of that, who would do that for a female fencer. I don't believe thats ever happened.
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Post by Evelyn S on Feb 12, 2008 22:21:55 GMT -6
I must say that i am flattered that people want to fence me enough to ask me personally to come to certain tournamants. Unfortunatly, Im not good enough for organizers to want to waive only the entry fees; let alone gas and a place to stay... I would have asked you personally to come to the Rose if I didn't know you already had a schedule conflict. Since you are one of only a handful of B-rated women's sabrists in the section, we would have tried to work something out for travel. Many of our referees and guest fencers do homestays during the tournament. Of course, to be fair we would need to offer travel money to other B's like Cathy and Angela. I absolutely get where you are coming from - how can you really be expected to attend a group of tournaments where you pay $40-45 in entry fees, gas, and a hotel room, and give up your weekend to fence a handful of people? If you can afford to do that (time and money-wise) I would say do it to promote goodwill - if we support your tournament it is nice for you to support ours. If you can't afford it, however, and the organizers can't afford to give you enough travel money, then there isn't much else to do and people need to understand that without trash talking (not directed at this thread...). This is something that I have brought up at the Rose committee meetings, and we have been trying to work on it. We put these resources into bring in guest fencers for the men's events, but not the women's. Unfortunately, the time of year we are locked into for the venue - January/February - is very busy as far as world cups, NCAA, and other events. At this point there is nowhere else in the area that is large enough to host the event, so we can't change that. In addition, I am only familiar with the top women's epeeists and they are usually MIA at this time of year for the above-mentioned reasons (or they are training outside the country). Not to mention we can scrounge up an A tournament in the women's epee already (if NaRaye and/or Neely chip in). So, let me ask you (and Cathy) this - if we flew in two A-rated women's sabrists would you be more willing to come? If so, who should we ask? Since you two fence the div 1 NACs, would you be willing to pass on my contact information (or get theirs)? We are willing to pursue the same for women's foil, too. What I am really getting at here is what do you (and any other top women reading this) need to make it worth your while to come to Shreveport for future Rose tournaments? A-rated events? Travel money and/or homestay? Of course if you just can't stand Shreveport or the drive to get here (and the above incentives aren't enough to override it), I understand, but I can't fix those. I would still like to know, however - and feel free to PM if you want.
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Post by D on Feb 12, 2008 23:13:12 GMT -6
YES! YES! Thank you! I was beginning to think my logic was somehow flawed! I guess Ive never gotten into supporting anyones tournaments its never been that methodical for me.. as with a lot of things its just simply SIZE and DISTANCE. ( I reeeally wanna put a dirty joke here!!!)I just go where the big ones are if there not too far... ( once again, i really wanna put a dirty joke here!!!! lol!) where is Kyle i know he has one!You know i have heard that the reason that the more northern texas tournament are smaller is because people protest certain other peoples events. But its just like i said. Im just like anyother american capitalist im looking for the best deal when deciding which tournaments im gonna go to. Best bang for the buck when deciding how to use my time... and money.. Along with the supporting others tournaments, I used to absolutly Loooove to go to the Longhorn (yes i said it UT Fans) I, a Texas State Alumni; a current Texas State Student; would like to admit the sad truth..... The Longhorn was my number one/favorite tournament for years!! then they had to go and segregate everything and take my longhorn away. Which does what!?!! drops the size of the tournaments dramaticly for women! (SIZE) But i got over it. I soon realized that i could live without SSCC events even though those were the best tournaments. I replaced them with NAC's. Not that i wanna start that argument. If people wanna keep them segragated thats fine. Like i said before, ive learned to live with it. Mabye it is for the better. idk. Im probably just spoiled by the old SSCC's were i could fence the mixed events. Because im Old.
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Post by D on Feb 13, 2008 0:32:46 GMT -6
Incentives are always tempting But now fencing in NAC's im not as fasinated with getting my "A" as much as getting more NATIONAL POINTS. When i moved to new york and i fenced all those Olympians and aspiaring Olympians i realized that nobody there really cares as much about the "A" ,"B" thing as much as they do the National Points thing.... In there eyes, being a B with national points says alot more than being an A without... That also might be why its hard to get them to come down because they could renew there "A" but do they care about there "A08" But knowing that people are looking for the A tournaments, bringing one or 2 down is definatly more tempting to the majority. But im rammmbling on and on... ive have a couple of glasses of wine now. I already invited 3 "A"s to the New Orleans tournament. but the incentive being that its in New Orleans and i'll buy them a drink... ha! I invited Alexis Jemal, Carlton Henry, and Konote Primus. I have all there numbers but there also on my myspace.. HEY CATHY FIND ME ON MYSPACE IF YOU HAVE ONE! Dont think they'll come thou.. and getting them to come to Shrevport would prove to be more challanging.. Unless i was single again.. (lol) Whoa Idk... i really dont like to get into these politics... I just know what i like, and i can only speculate as to what the majority wants. I would supose it would be a balanced combination of all these things. Oh and this might be the perfect time to tell some UT people that, Keeth Smart said his favorite city was austin! hint!! it might not be that hard to get him there!!!
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Post by Evelyn S on Feb 13, 2008 11:25:57 GMT -6
Thank you for the response. I am primarily concerned about the Rose, but I think it is good to get some dialogue going in a public forum so other organizers can use the feedback, too. But now fencing in NAC's im not as fasinated with getting my "A" as much as getting more NATIONAL POINTS. When i moved to new york and i fenced all those Olympians and aspiaring Olympians i realized that nobody there really cares as much about the "A" ,"B" thing as much as they do the National Points thing.... Yup I feel that way, too. I don't really understand the rating hunt, either - what gets you to the top of that seeding list is POINTS. Of course, if you aren't serious about team selection events (Div 1, Cadet, Junior, Vet, etc.) then I guess ratings are more important. Btw, for our tournament at least, the guest fencers we have brought in in the past came because they wanted to support the primary goal of the tournament - funding a college scholarship in Rose's memory - not because they might get an 'A' rating. Our tournament is one of the very few that is NOT run for profit - we are all volunteers and every $ we make goes directly to the scholarship fund. This is probably another factor in their decision to attend. Because I know that Shreveport doesn't have the party scene of New Orleans, or the "Longhorn" appeal of Austin/UT, but I know that it has two parents who lost their only child - a gifted and loving person - who, along with their family and friends, come together at this tournament to remember Rose and raise money to help another kid going to college. Sorry I get a little bit carried away but I feel strongly about it... I know you haven't had the chance to join us before, but other than event size I think we do a pretty nice job. We have all grounded strips, a raised finals strip with seating, a ton of great referees, custom medals for the top 8, special finalist t-shirts for the top 4, personalized shadow box for the winner (with pictures of you in the final match), a staffed concession stand (with our signature homemade gumbo... not that I eat it while I am still fencing lol), etc. Yeah, the foil thing wasn't so much directed at you as to the women foilists who might be reading... so Ladies (no matter what weapon you fence) please let me hear your opinions and ideas (and PM if you don't want it to be public) - I am going to start tracking you all down if I don't hear any. Again D, thank you for your opinions on the subject, I will be advocating for these ideas at our future Rose committee meetings.
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Post by LongBlade on Feb 13, 2008 13:31:57 GMT -6
I'm just across town, Damaris...
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Post by DavidSierra on Feb 14, 2008 9:06:56 GMT -6
Damaris, I see your points and I think I understand where you are coming from.
But, there are two points you might want to consider.
1) WHY is the Pouj such a good tournament, from a participation standpoint? Because of people from outside the South Texas area. Look at the top 8 in MxS and WS. Half are from outside South Texas. Pull out those people and you're left with a relatively small, not very well rated event.
2) Okay, so you're chasing national points. Good. That is an excellent goal. But by focusing exclusively NACs, you're leaving out valuable training opportunities. This year there are exactly 2 NACs you are eligible to fence in. Consider girls like Cathy, or Cait Schneider. They've been attending the SSCC events for 3 years, consistently. Ask them, and their coaches, if that has had a positive development. Track their performance - especially Cathy's. Look at where she was 3 years ago, and look at where she placed in Atlanta. No, the SSCC events aren't the only reason, Cathy works HARD, and trains like a beast. But, they're an important part of her whole program.
What I'm trying to say is, the only way to grow the development of sabre in this region, particularly women's sabre, is for all of us to come together. As often as possible. You're good, yes, but you're not so good that you wouldn't benefit from fencing Cathy, Cait, Melissa, Kate, Alexa, Avery, Arden and the rest of them in tournaments 4 or 5 times a year. And, they've all shown the willingness to travel to your back yard. You want bang for your buck and to get some intense bouts with other excellent women's sabre fencers? You want a tournament to be worth your time, from a fencing standpoint? Then think about it. The critical mass of top level women's sabre fencers from this region is NOT in South Texas. Its in points north of that. Your presence would make it better. But, you wouldn't exactly be coming out on the negative side of the equation.
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Post by D on Feb 14, 2008 15:54:57 GMT -6
The Pouj is a good tournament, as you just say, that sooooo im not quite understanding the reason for the rest of your words after that sentence? I think I’m totally missing your point. Unless it’s that Dallas has better women’s sabre fencing than south texas than I totally agree and I am quite jealous of that.
Exclusively, I could have sworn that I just listed a bunch of tournament that I go to that aren’t nac’s Huh?! Maybe im just crazy. I’ll go back and look at the first page of this…. Oh yes I do go to other tournaments. Maybe you had a dream that I said I Exclusively focus on NAC’s?
National Championships ? top 8 in div1a qualifies you for national championships as well as div 1a again.. I did National Championships the summer before I had national points, as well as after. Unless they changed something that you know about that I don’t? Mabye you just meant to say that there are only 2 NAC's and a National Championship event.
Good for them! go SSCC events!
Am I? Those words have never come out of my mouth.. As a matter of fact, ive often, and repeatedly said the words, “I sux”! I am usually wearing a mask when i say that i guess most people cant hear me. But thank you.
Ya know, it kind sounds like here your trying to tell me something I don’t know. Yet that’s kinda confusing because you have long known that I agree with that statement.??
OOHh! oHhh yea! FOR YOUR SSCC EVENTS THAT THEY, and YOU, KNOW IM 95 PERCENT LIKLEY NOT TO DO!?! Oh yea, I remember that. Excellent choice of Tournament if you want to avoid me. I must say bravo! Even though I did two of them last year because of your bothering me about it. Most especially for the in Austin thats always on my Birthday weekend?!?! So I can fence, still intoxicated or hung-over, but both at the same time just hurt! But I did it anyway for you. Then I also, did the longhorn.
I never specify the word “women” here. Thems yo wordz
This is where the Sabre Cave tournament would help me out here.
So in conclusion… GO SSCC EVENTS! They’re doing super great! Stop asking me to come to those.
Unless your Evelyn S then you can ask me anything you want. The Rose seems to have a higher purpose
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Post by seeteufel on Feb 15, 2008 0:14:40 GMT -6
I believe somebody just got smacked down!
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Post by fenceintexas on Feb 15, 2008 12:10:06 GMT -6
Unfortunatly, Im not good enough for organizers to want to waive only the entry fees; let alone gas and a place to stay... Maybe one day I'll get good enough to be like those fencers that gets flown in to Regional tounaments from New York Don't sell yourself short - Don't forget, I offered to pay gas, hotel room and waiver of entry fees.... ~B
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Post by fenceintexas on Feb 15, 2008 12:17:22 GMT -6
Btw, for our tournament at least, the guest fencers we have brought in in the past came because they wanted to support the primary goal of the tournament - funding a college scholarship in Rose's memory - not because they might get an 'A' rating. Our tournament is one of the very few that is NOT run for profit - we are all volunteers and every $ we make goes directly to the scholarship fund. This is probably another factor in their decision to attend. Yup! And the same for the DeGall and the Eric Wang Scholarship - which, btw, is awarding 2 this year again. Last year, we awarded 3 and only had 2 applicants!!! Hopefully, there will be more applicants this year. (If you want to apply, go to www.fenceintexas.org and download an application from the forms page.)
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Post by D on Feb 15, 2008 13:16:07 GMT -6
Thanks B, I do remember. I was just trying to be humble and not mention that. That made me feel reallllly good when you asked me that. I just wasn’t sure how serious you were. Or if you were accidentally thinking I was an "A" instead of a "B". And if you did mistakenly think I was an "A" that you might change your mind. Oh, I also need to mention here that if your name is Cathy L. you can ask me anything you want too.
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Post by D on Feb 18, 2008 12:11:25 GMT -6
I didn't know about the scholarship thing. I sent the link to a few people in the fencing club here at Texas State Univ. Im a graduate student so I cant apply for that one, but the younger people im my club should be excited to hear about it. As a matter of fact im going to make it my mission to bother some of them until they apply for it!
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